March 31, 2026

The Hitcher (1986)

The Hitcher (1986)
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Season 61986 MoviesHorrorThriller

"The terror starts the moment he stops." In this episode, we discuss the cult thriller 'The Hitcher.' The movie stars C. Thomas Howell. Rutger Hauer and Jennifer Jason Leigh. Directed by Robert Harmon.

The Hitcher - IMDB: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0091209/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_3_tt_7_nm_1_in_0_q_the%20hitc
The Hitcher - Rotten Tomatoes: https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_hitcher

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Hello, and welcome to Lee All Eighties Movies podcast podcast

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where we talk about the blacklisters, the flops, and everything

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in between from one of the freshest.

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Decades from movies from nineteen eighties.

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I'm your host Bill Banton Long m me on this

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journey revisiting eighties movies. Is my co host Jason massk.

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What do you want, Jason, Bill, I want you to

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stop me.

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That's right, Listeners, we are discussing with spoilers of plenty,

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the nineteen eighty six cult thriller The Hitch Error. It

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was produced by HBO Pictures and Silver Screen Partners and

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distributed by TriStar Pictures. The movie stars Steve Thomas, Hall,

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Rucker Howard, and Jennifer Jason Lee. Directed by Robert Harmon,

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This movie is rated R with the running time of

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one hour and thirty seven minutes. So what is this

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movie about? What's on the box? If you grew up

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in the nineteen eighties and what's your local video store

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to rend this movie? You would find this description on

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the back of the VHS box. It is what's in

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the box? Take it away, Jason.

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It's a dark, rainy night. As young Jim Halsey drives

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along an endless stretch of desert highway. Up ahead looms

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a figure on the road, a hitcher. Jim stops for

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the stranger at once, he regrets his action. The man

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with the transparent eyes and menacing smile is soon holding

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a knife to Jim's throat. The hitcher then tells Jim

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to pass a car on the side of the road.

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The passengers are already dead.

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The hitcher has killed them.

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Jim is finally able to shove the hitcher out of

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the car door and is relieved that the terrifying situation

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is over. Some hours later, a car passes with three

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little kids in the back seat. The hitcher is smiling

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through the rear window. The journey into real terror has

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just begun for Jim Halsey, an unending nightmare, filled with

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one horror scene after another as the deranged hitcher continues

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on his slaughteris rampage quote the hitcher will leave you

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so frightened you won't want to stop.

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For the next red light. The New York Post the Hitcher.

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So that was what's in the box. I was getting

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a little nervous. I was gonna recap the whole movie

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for us, it was another one of those we don't

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need to do the podcast or Jason's gonna read off

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the whole movie.

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Hey, this is great for those listeners for some reason

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that have not seen this movie and decided to listen

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to this podcast.

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Just be like, what is the Hitcher all about?

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Well?

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Yeah, just read the back of the box, the VHS box,

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and there you go.

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All there for you.

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Okay, Jason, do you remember when you first saw The Hitcher?

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I do.

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I was a kid and this was definitely a cable

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watch for me. I should I say kid, because that's

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how I think of myself Ethan as a teenager. I

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was in my early to mid teens, and it was HBO.

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It was a repeat cable watch in the late eighties,

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and this movie simply, I'd go as far as to

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say it absorbed me. I mean, this was a time

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when hitchhiking was still very much a thing. And I

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don't know how many ways to say this, but it

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captured me and it frightened me. For myself, I'll always

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remember two to three iconic horror thriller scenes, and I'll

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wait to describe any of those because I'm sure we'll

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touch upon them later. But I have to say, Bill Band,

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I had a little bit of a Mendela effect where

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I thought there was more graphic violence in the opening,

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like I just remembered this like first twenty minutes of

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the movie very differently. But I've always been a fan

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of the film, so I was looking forward to this

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podcast and covering it, and I just want to tell

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our audience, I have been pushing Bill Bant time and

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time again to watch this movie and record this podcast.

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So I thank you, Bill Band, Thank you for doing

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this at long last.

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It only took four seasons. Sorry about that.

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You don't have to apologize. There's a lot of movies

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in the eighties to get to, so we finally got

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to this one. What are you?

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What are your memories? Man? What was your experience in

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seeing this the first time? Audience?

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This is a rarity for the podcast because usually when

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we do cover movies, it's either Jason and I have

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both seen the movie, Jason and I have not seen

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the movie. I have seen the movie and Jason has not.

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It's very rare when we have Jason has seen the

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movie and Bill is not.

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And this might be.

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We're over one hundred and seventy episodes, and this might

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only be the second time this has happened where Jason

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has seen the movie and I have not. So Yes,

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my first experiences this past week amazing. We've seen bits

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and pieces, but never from opening credits to end credit.

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Yeah cool, Okay, So let's talk about the movie and

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what are impressions of the Hitcher and Jason. I'm going

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to start because as we established, you've been clamoring to

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do this movie for as long as we've been doing.

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This podcast, that's right.

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And I finally got to watch it, and I did

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not enjoy this movie at all. The first three times

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I tried to watch it, I fell asleep. Fourth time

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I finally got through it, and I was said to myself,

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I cannot watch this another time. I don't know how

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I'm gonna do my notes because usually I just watch

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it once for enjoyment, second time to really analyze it.

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And then the third time i'm doing my notes, I'm like,

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I'm done. And I thought this this movie really as

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bad as I'm thinking. And I go online and everyone

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loves this movie. Hell yeah they do. So this is

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what I'm asking you, Jason. What am I missing? I

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don't understand why I don't like this movie. It didn't

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do anything for me. This is two minutes shorter than

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the last movie we covered, Rocky three, and it felt

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five times as long. I don't get it, and I'd

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like everyone in this movie. I'm fans of c Thomas, Hall,

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record Hower, Jennifer, Jason Lee. I just wanted it to end.

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I was done. My god, damn. I mean we all

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have that, we all have that one movie that everyone likes,

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and there's that one person like, Nope, don't like it.

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I think this is me with the hitcher. Wow.

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Try to sell me on this and I'll just explain

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why it just didn't do it for me, and then

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maybe there's something I'm missing.

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Okay, all right, all right, Well this will be an

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interesting undertaking here. I am surprised. I'm surprised, but I'm

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gonna make some admissions upon this rewatch. I had some

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similar feelings, of course, not that is definitely not my

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overall take. And I think what you missed, Bill is

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by stating that you did not care for this movie,

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is that we are no longer friends.

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As a result.

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This could be our last show, right, This could be

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the end of the All Eighties Movies Podcast. No, we're

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not even close to being done with this dang podcast.

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Let me just start, maybe with my first impressions upon

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the rewatch, and you'll see where I agree and disagree.

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I have to tell you, man, I have nostalgic attachments

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to this and I am biased because of how it

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scared the living Bejesus out of me as a teenager,

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and obviously it stayed with me. I believe we had

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a mini episode about scenes that scared us the most,

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and I believe i'd listed a very important scene from

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this film, which we will cover.

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A little bit later. This movie.

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Upon watching it again as an adult, and Bill, I

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didn't realized that I have not seen this for years,

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but this movie still grips me. I mean, I don't

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know how many different ways to use different descriptors, but

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I find this film extremely upsetting. Does it work for

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me one hundred percent today? No? Bill, You're right, this

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film is slow. There are moments when I appreciate the

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methodical nature of it, and then there are scenes which

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just get stuck in mud. Does it still work for

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me as a psychological thriller? It absolutely does. And there

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are three reasons, and maybe I'll try to sell you

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on these reasons as we go through our recording here.

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And number one is Rutger Hauer. Number two is music

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composer Mark Isham, and for me, number three was the

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director of photography, John Seal. Those three elements put together

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completely immerse me into this dark vibe as I'm calling it.

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This movie is seriously a dark hang. It is a

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dark vibe. It is a fever dream film you watch

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on a sick day and you can become engrossed by it.

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Now on the flip side, Bill Bett, if you're watching

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this first thing in the morning, all caffeinated, or last

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thing before going to bed, like as you mentioned, you

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fell asleep three times, it's a tough set. It's a

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tough hang because I mean, I was thinking, Wow, I

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appreciate its simplicity, but maybe this movie is a little

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simple to a fault. And I think my two major complaints,

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and I am going to step on my complaints right now,

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would be that there's a pacing issue, and then there's

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a little bit of a suspension of disbelief issue. For me,

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the movie has some conveniences. There's a lot with finding

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gas stations, and diners and things that happen. There's a

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police car chase that is great for the first half

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of but way over the top for the second half,

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and it falters a little bit as the film progresses

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as far as how much I buy into the conceit

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of this film, But man, when I got to the

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end of it, and I agree, it's under forty minutes,

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and I was still like, wow, this does feel like

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a lot longer than that. But I was still in it.

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I was still in it. And as the What's on

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the Box Knopsis said, rucker Houer is so menacing you

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can't keep your eyes off him. It feels like he'll

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do the opposite of whatever you think he'll do. It's

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as if he's the joker, you know, a serial killer, stalker, hitchhiker.

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I appreciate the psychological thriller aspect of this and the

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connect what I got into and maybe would I'll try

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to see tell you a little bit on here, Bill Banners.

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The connection that ultimately develops between the characters of Jim

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Halsey played by c Thomas Howell and the evil, the

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pure evil, John Ryder played by Rutger Hower. How they

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actually do have a relationship.

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Through this film.

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There's no question there's a relationship, and there is an arc,

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and you can see the connection at the end through

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my eyes at least. But again, here's he might be

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a hot takes. And I adore this movie and I'll

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I'm a sucker for it, and I'll talk about it

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till I'm blue in the face.

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But here's a hot take.

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I think maybe this could have even worked better as

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a thirty to forty minutes short.

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Probably I think I would agree with that. I think

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it just goes a little too long. And there's one

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word that you said that I think makes a lot

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of sense about this movie. And I'm not describing how

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I feel about the movie, but this is a tone

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of the movie.

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It's dreadful.

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There are no light parts in this film whatsoever, and

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it just pounds you and pounds on you and pounds

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on you.

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You even think.

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About just general slashing movies, Friday thirteenth or Psycho, there's

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some kind of light moments in it at some point,

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and this one there's nothing.

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Fun that happened, nothing redeeming.

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Yeah, And I think that just weighed on me, and

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I was like, I think I missed the window of

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when I should have watched this movie. Maybe if I

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had watched this in my twenties or my teens, I

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would appreciate it more. But now I'm like, I don't

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need this. I don't need all this just one bad

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thing after another happening to this poor kid, which we

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never understand. Why not that we need to know? I mean,

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this happens is decided. All the time bad things happen,

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people ask why, why?

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Why? And we never know? Right?

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Certainly with this there's no backstory for ride or whatsoever, Like,

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why is he doing this? I don't know? And that's

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that was driving me crazy too. Why did you let

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him survive when you just end up killing someone else

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in the car and then killing the next people you

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got in the car? What was it about Jim that

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was special?

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Right?

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We don't find that out. There's just too many unanswered

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questions that drive me up the wall with this film

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that it bothered me. It bothered me, and that's why

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I couldn't connect to it.

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I just couldn't. I understand that completely.

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And I like the fact that you use the word

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dreadfil there is a sense of dread the entire film.

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This movie will weigh you down. It's like wearing a

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weight belt underwater. You're going to sink to the bottom

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and that's where you're going to stay while watching this movie.

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There's no question about it. Now, let's just talk about

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it the why of it, because I think that's what

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I connected to a little more upon this rewatch as

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an adult, and Rucker Howerd has said this as much

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in interviews talking about his character. I don't think this

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needs to be overthought. Is he is the personification of evil.

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You can call him the devil. He is a demon.

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He appears from nowhere at random times. Why did he

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choose Jim Halsey. I think, for my take is that

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he saw something in Jim that he saw in himself

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deep down. And the fact is whether John Ryder, the

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personification of evil, recognizes that he is a complete psychopath

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or not. He is a cat, you know, playing with

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a ball of yarn. He's just playing with his food

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the entire time, his food being Jim Halsey, and toying

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with him but never killing him, and putting him in

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the most dire situations only to test him and have

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fun with him up to a certain point where he

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is looking to die. That is John Ryder. He has

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a death wish and he wants and he has chosen

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Jim to be the harbinger of doom, his harbinger to

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kill him in the end. He wants Jim to kill him,

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and he says as much. And I'd never really caught that,

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I don't think as a teen as much as I

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did now where it really could be viewed as simple

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as that on the surface that he wants to die.

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He's so psyched he can have there's no more fun

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for him to be had. He's killed so many people

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in so many different ways, maybe gotten tired of it

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and wants to have one final game with this team

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whom he came upon and just saw something in him.

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And what I found interesting then at the end is

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that Jim himself as a teen. How old do you

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think Jim Halsey played by see Thomas Hall is supposed

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to be in this because he uh, he.

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Was actually seventeen when they filmed it, right, so I'm

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thinking twenty.

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Yeah, I was thinking as much as well. He just

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doesn't look much older than that, if at all, right,

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And John Ryder basically drives Jim Halsey to the brink.

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He drives him mad where to the point where the

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darkness comes out of Jim Hals and he becomes the

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killer in the end, he knows what he exactly what

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he has to do. He has to murder John right.

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There is no other way, and a Rider recognizes that

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in Halsey, and there's some interesting moves there in the

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finale that I really appreciated. But yeah, that's my take.

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Man, At least you had some sort of explanation of

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why Rider wants to die. He's just tired of doing

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what he's doing, because I couldn't answer that question, like

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why did you pick Jim to kill you? Or why

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are you trying to pass the mantle to Jim, Because

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what you're really doing is just pushing Jim to the brink.

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He's killing because he's got to defend himself. He's not

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going to make him a killer because he kills you.

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It's killing because you have no other option. You're pushed

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to that limit, and a lot of people would probably

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do the same thing if your life or his, You're

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going to do what you can to stay alive. I

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just couldn't figure out why Rider had picked Jim to

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kill him It's like, what do you see in this

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scrawny little kid that he's going to be able to

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outsmart out with or kill you. I didn't see it,

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and I.

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Think that's what bothered me too, no question about it.

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I think I'll be honest with you. Because of my

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attachment to this, I read into it a little bit.

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I do.

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I read into it a little bit, but at least

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it's helping me try to understand it a little bit more.

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I think he really brings the darkness out of Halsey.

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But you're right, Halsey is put in a situation where

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he has no choice. But at the end when he's

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with the Captain Jeffrey de Munn, love that guy, love

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seeing him in this, and then takes his gun from

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him and it's like, I'm sorry, I have to do this.

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It's like, oh, he's made a turn there. It seems

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that's the way I looked at it. But I like

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to look at it as if John Ryder is passing

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along the darkness to someone else. But I think that

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is reading into it a little self admittedly say that

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it might be reading into it and this movie is

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just simply a twisted tail. He's a pure evil and

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that's all there is to it. There's no rhyme or

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reason to it. And that's what's supposed to be so

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freaking scary about it. And that's what really frightened me

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as a teenager, was like, he's just gonna keep coming

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after him. You can't escape this evil, and that's all

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there is to it.

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I saw that scene more as Jim knw that it's

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never going to end unless he dies, and he's the

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only one to understand that, so we had to kill him.

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But I didn't think he was taking a dark turn.

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It's more of the realization, like this is what I

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gotta do. I'm going to save hundreds of people by

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killing this man, and consequences be damned at this point.

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For sure.

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Think you were one thousand percent correct in saying that.

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I will just say that regardless of whether he had

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to do it or the darkness took over at one

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point where he made the conscious choice to do it,

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He'll be changed forever from that point on.

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He's going to be traumatized after that. But I don't

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think he's going to become a killer.

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That's a great point. Yeah, I was about to say

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that too. Doesn't mean, he's going to turn into a

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new version of John Ryder.

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Right.

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I understand your frustrations. I think watching this and I

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hear your frustrations with it. I look back upon it,

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I make a conscious choice to be kind of swept

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away by it. The way that this film is shot,

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and I do appreciate some of the methodical nature of it.

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In moments that's when I get swept up in it.

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But I'll admit I paused a few times to see

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what the where I was in the timeline there, to

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see how much time was left. There's no question it's

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it's a long hour and thirty seven minutes.

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Yeah, it's just just one bad thing after another. I

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do like the setting, the middle of nowhere.

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Yeah, let's talk about that for a second. I was

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going to ask you what movies did this make you

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think of when you saw it.

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For the first time. Of course, Tesslate Road, but no

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one else. Thanks, That's what I wrote down. That was

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number one.

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So Bill Bant, Marwan Abdurazak, myself, Waterwell Pictures. We did

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a short film entitled Desolate Road back in twenty.

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Twelve, if I'm not mistaken.

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Yeah, and we had a blast shooting that and that

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was an endeavor and a labor of love and all

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these things came out great. We're proud of that film,

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of course, But yeah, that made me think of Desolate Road.

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It made me think of Breakdown. I love that film.

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I love doing that film with Kurt Russell, who's the

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back JT. J. T. Walsh, Thank you very much, rip

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and a duel of course.

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Yeah yeah. And then joy Ride that was, oh.

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Yeah, thank you very much. So there's a lot of

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them out there, huh. It is a great setting for thriller.

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That was the interesting thing. And I'll step on one

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of my complaints here's it's one of those feels like

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you got nowhere to go, right and you're lost.

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You're screwed.

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If you get stuck out there in the middle of nowhere,

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you're pretty much dead and that's it. There's nowhere to hide.

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Although in this film, for some reason, whenever see Thomas

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Howell runs into the desert, there's just another gas station

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over the hill, which is.

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Really frank for him.

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I know, every time he kept running the desert, I'm like, dude,

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it's like, well, how do you still going to die?

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Like why are you stop running? Into the desert. Man,

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it's crracking me up. I'm like, why is that your

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first go to? Yeah, stay on the road man, Hey,

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what did you think of see Thomas Howell in this?

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I did like I felt like most of his reactions

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to what was going on was genuine. He wasn't doing

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your typical slash or horror to make mistakes that advanced

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the plot because he's always trying to get away, but

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every time he thinks he gets to similar safe, surprise, surprise,

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there's Rider.

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You know.

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He calls the police and tries to wait for him.

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Here comes Rider. So I never thought he was doing anything.

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I'm like, oh, what an idiot outside of letting a

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hitchhiker in your car. I always thought he was trying

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to do the right thing in order to move the

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story forward. So I did appreciate that.

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Yeah, I thought he was extremely capable in this, and

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I wrote that down as well as like, first of all,

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this is I knew right away this is going to

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have to be a little bit of a go with

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it movie. Let's just go with it, because no way

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in hell I'm letting that hitchhiker into my car in

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a dark, rainy night in the middle of the desert.

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Are you kidding me? Creepy as all hell? That would

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be I just wouldn't make that choice. But see Thomas

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how and forgive me listeners and Bill bant If. We

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discussed this when we did our Secret Admirer episode. But man,

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he had a great run in the eighties et the

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Outsider's Read Down, Secret Admyer soul Man even side out

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in nineteen ninety. What happened do you think? Did he

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simply kind of age out? Because he has a ton

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of credits. He's still working, looks great, still doing it,

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very likable, always great to see him. But there seemed

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to be Yeah, it seemed to be that precipitous like

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drop off though from like pop culture after the eighties.

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I think because they kept trying to make him a

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leading man and it wasn't working.

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Yeah, but he'd be a great.

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Second guy, your second banana. Yeah, got that for sure,

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to be the friend. But maybe it's a little too

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good looking.

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I don't know, right, he kind of falls in between somewhere.

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Yeah, I don't think he can carry a movie, but

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he almost says a little too much to be the

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second person. So I think it was probably where do

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we put this guy in the movie?

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Yeah, I don't know.

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He worked in an ensemble, like he said, with Red

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Dawn The Outsiders. Yeah, yeah, for sure.

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I'm gonna just say this real quick, because I think

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everybody out there in the world agrees, and if you don't,

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I don't know what's wrong with you.

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Rutger Howerd's the man are.

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We covered him a bit in our Nighthawks episode We

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love him Blade Runner, et cetera, et cetera.

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He's got the look.

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He looks right through you with soulless eyes yet eyes

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that are on fire at the same time. I don't

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know how he does it. He's just a unique actor,

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one of one. I can't get enough of his delivery.

465
00:22:16.119 --> 00:22:18.440
I just can't wait to hear whatever he's about to say.

466
00:22:18.880 --> 00:22:22.119
Love me, Rutger Hower. I can't find any fault. It

467
00:22:22.240 --> 00:22:25.799
just I just didn't understand the character. And it was

468
00:22:25.880 --> 00:22:27.960
every time Jim thought he got away, then he just

469
00:22:27.960 --> 00:22:30.119
came out of nowhere, and I'm like, what the f

470
00:22:30.559 --> 00:22:34.079
how is this possible? Has he got a jet an ankle.

471
00:22:33.799 --> 00:22:36.480
Tracer on him? What's going on here? Yeah?

472
00:22:36.480 --> 00:22:39.200
He just shows up out of nowhere time after time.

473
00:22:39.240 --> 00:22:41.839
After time, and that was bugging the crap out of me.

474
00:22:42.119 --> 00:22:44.720
Okay, I think he's got quite the stature and that

475
00:22:44.880 --> 00:22:48.400
just he's got that look. He's unpredictable. I think he's

476
00:22:48.880 --> 00:22:51.880
what I decided to go with during this. Like I said,

477
00:22:51.880 --> 00:22:54.480
I just I did get swept away by it is

478
00:22:54.519 --> 00:22:57.200
that there are only so many many places to go

479
00:22:57.359 --> 00:22:59.160
on one highway going.

480
00:22:58.960 --> 00:23:00.279
Through a stretch of the desert.

481
00:23:00.480 --> 00:23:03.839
So I figured he was like, where's the next logical

482
00:23:03.920 --> 00:23:06.400
stop for Jim Halsey, and so he just went to

483
00:23:06.440 --> 00:23:06.880
that place.

484
00:23:06.960 --> 00:23:08.160
Of course Jim Halsey.

485
00:23:07.880 --> 00:23:11.039
Is there, but I also buy into maybe there is

486
00:23:11.039 --> 00:23:15.200
a fantastical element here where he is a demon, the devil,

487
00:23:15.240 --> 00:23:19.480
where he just is now decided to make Jim Halsey

488
00:23:19.559 --> 00:23:21.680
his mark and is connected to him as a result,

489
00:23:21.799 --> 00:23:24.880
and knows and senses exactly where he's going to be

490
00:23:24.920 --> 00:23:26.920
at any particular point in time.

491
00:23:27.000 --> 00:23:28.000
At least hints at it.

492
00:23:28.160 --> 00:23:32.920
Yeah, you're right, spell it out, but at least hints

493
00:23:33.000 --> 00:23:33.240
at it.

494
00:23:33.680 --> 00:23:34.119
Yeah.

495
00:23:34.240 --> 00:23:36.240
I wanted to give a shout out as I did

496
00:23:36.279 --> 00:23:39.720
real quick to Mark Isham the if that's even the

497
00:23:39.720 --> 00:23:43.200
correct pronunciation of his name, the composer, Did you know

498
00:23:43.319 --> 00:23:47.119
that Mark Isham or Esham was the composer on Point

499
00:23:47.160 --> 00:23:49.960
Break No. He did some good stuff in the eighties

500
00:23:50.000 --> 00:23:52.720
and I just wanted to mention this my childhood teenage memory.

501
00:23:52.720 --> 00:23:55.000
Being a fan of film scores and a collector of

502
00:23:55.079 --> 00:23:58.319
orchestral film scores. He did the score for a TV

503
00:23:58.519 --> 00:24:02.119
movie called Sketch Artist in nineteen ninety two starring Jeff

504
00:24:02.119 --> 00:24:05.359
Fahi and Sean Young. I had it on cassette, so

505
00:24:06.359 --> 00:24:08.839
that's where I first got turned on to him. That's

506
00:24:08.880 --> 00:24:11.799
when I first logged his name in my brain. So

507
00:24:12.000 --> 00:24:14.480
check out as I AMDB. This dude's done a lot

508
00:24:14.519 --> 00:24:16.599
and he knows how to set a mood and he

509
00:24:16.759 --> 00:24:19.519
really kills it in this movie. It really worked for

510
00:24:19.559 --> 00:24:22.039
me in this film. Later on he has a great nineties.

511
00:24:22.079 --> 00:24:24.559
He did the Fire in the Sky Quiz Show, some

512
00:24:24.599 --> 00:24:26.680
big stuff. So love the score in this.

513
00:24:27.200 --> 00:24:30.000
I can't remember it that much, to be honest, Like

514
00:24:30.039 --> 00:24:32.160
when you said that, I don't think I was paying

515
00:24:32.200 --> 00:24:33.599
that much attention to the music.

516
00:24:33.799 --> 00:24:34.799
Yeah, I got you.

517
00:24:35.319 --> 00:24:37.440
Maybe I'll try to find it on YouTube and play it,

518
00:24:37.480 --> 00:24:39.000
but I'm not. I'm watching it with the movie.

519
00:24:39.039 --> 00:24:40.839
I'll tell you that much, right, I hear you, man,

520
00:24:40.920 --> 00:24:43.799
I'm gonna give one more shout out though, to John Seal,

521
00:24:43.880 --> 00:24:47.279
the DP on this our cinematographer. I'm just going to

522
00:24:47.400 --> 00:24:50.079
rattle off a few incredible shots in this movie. I

523
00:24:50.119 --> 00:24:52.720
thought this film was shot really well. There's a great

524
00:24:52.720 --> 00:24:55.720
shot near the beginning of a rider standing up in

525
00:24:55.759 --> 00:24:58.319
the middle of the highway after Halsey has kicked him

526
00:24:58.319 --> 00:25:00.640
out of his car. The camera just moves up to

527
00:25:00.720 --> 00:25:04.000
him and goes low and looks up at rider as

528
00:25:04.039 --> 00:25:07.559
he's looking so intimidating the car coming racing out of

529
00:25:07.599 --> 00:25:10.240
the gas station on fire after it explodes. There's a

530
00:25:10.240 --> 00:25:13.480
circle shot around Cee Thomas Howell in the police station

531
00:25:13.599 --> 00:25:15.880
that I loved. There's a shot at Jenator Jason Lee

532
00:25:16.000 --> 00:25:19.799
sleeping when the camera pans over. It's a very Michael

533
00:25:19.880 --> 00:25:22.759
Myers Halloween shot with John Ryder just watching her she

534
00:25:22.839 --> 00:25:24.039
sleeps in the hotel room.

535
00:25:24.240 --> 00:25:25.279
Love that shot.

536
00:25:25.440 --> 00:25:27.759
And then I'll talk about the finale later, but just

537
00:25:27.759 --> 00:25:31.440
wanted to give the DP a real strong shout out here.

538
00:25:31.839 --> 00:25:34.039
Yeah, I do think the movie looks good. I thought

539
00:25:34.039 --> 00:25:37.079
about this after I watch it. I'm wondering if part

540
00:25:37.079 --> 00:25:41.079
of my issue at the movie is because of the actors,

541
00:25:41.759 --> 00:25:45.160
because I know who they are okay. Maybe if I've

542
00:25:45.160 --> 00:25:49.200
watched it three unknowns, maybe that would have helped me

543
00:25:49.319 --> 00:25:51.880
a little bit because my expectations of who's in it.

544
00:25:52.000 --> 00:25:54.279
But I think still story wise, I still would have

545
00:25:54.319 --> 00:25:57.680
got frustrated with why is he doing this? What is he?

546
00:25:58.119 --> 00:26:00.400
Why did he pick this kid to all of a

547
00:26:00.440 --> 00:26:03.160
sudden be the one to become his maker? I don't know?

548
00:26:03.359 --> 00:26:04.920
Fair enough, man, fair enough?

549
00:26:05.240 --> 00:26:08.359
All right, let's move on to favorite scenes or moments.

550
00:26:08.599 --> 00:26:10.200
What do we have for favorite scenes of moments? And

551
00:26:10.279 --> 00:26:12.400
I'll start on this one because it's the very very

552
00:26:12.440 --> 00:26:15.839
opening of the movie and we have Jim driving. So

553
00:26:16.200 --> 00:26:18.200
he's driving for a car service and he's taking this

554
00:26:18.319 --> 00:26:21.119
car to San Diego and it's the middle of the night,

555
00:26:21.240 --> 00:26:24.279
it's raining, and he is tired, and we have all

556
00:26:24.720 --> 00:26:27.720
been there, and I think there's the most tense scene

557
00:26:27.799 --> 00:26:30.400
of the movie because we've all gone through it and

558
00:26:30.440 --> 00:26:32.759
he can't stay awake. At one point he does fall

559
00:26:32.799 --> 00:26:34.759
asleep behind the wheel and it just gets plowed by

560
00:26:34.799 --> 00:26:37.559
a truck and that scared the crap out of me.

561
00:26:37.960 --> 00:26:41.160
And then after that the movie was over. Could stop

562
00:26:41.200 --> 00:26:43.480
right there, I would have been good. But no, just

563
00:26:43.920 --> 00:26:47.000
the opening, because it's something we've all gone through and

564
00:26:47.480 --> 00:26:50.799
seeing a play out on film, and even though knowing

565
00:26:51.240 --> 00:26:53.640
that see Thomas Halls playing one of your main characters

566
00:26:53.640 --> 00:26:55.519
in the movie, that he's going to survive, it still

567
00:26:55.559 --> 00:26:57.440
made me think back to all the times that I've

568
00:26:57.480 --> 00:27:00.160
been super tired behind the wheel and like, oh my god,

569
00:27:00.400 --> 00:27:03.359
I'm happy I'm still here and heard horror stories about

570
00:27:03.359 --> 00:27:06.880
friends who have fallen asleep and they're still lucky to

571
00:27:06.920 --> 00:27:07.880
be on this earth.

572
00:27:08.160 --> 00:27:08.640
Absolutely.

573
00:27:08.680 --> 00:27:10.480
I can think of one of my high school buddies

574
00:27:10.559 --> 00:27:12.599
right off the top of my head, shout out, Matt Stettle.

575
00:27:12.640 --> 00:27:15.000
I remember him telling me a story about freaking out

576
00:27:15.039 --> 00:27:18.319
and luckily survived after having fallen asleep at the wheel,

577
00:27:18.359 --> 00:27:20.960
and I think he had done it a couple times.

578
00:27:20.960 --> 00:27:21.720
But it's scary.

579
00:27:21.759 --> 00:27:23.960
It's a great way to start a scary movie. And

580
00:27:24.359 --> 00:27:27.359
here's it's funny, Bill Bant because I was going to

581
00:27:27.359 --> 00:27:29.920
watch this on my big screen TV, but the way

582
00:27:29.960 --> 00:27:31.720
it sits in my living room there's too much of

583
00:27:31.759 --> 00:27:33.519
a glare in the middle of the afternoon, So I

584
00:27:33.559 --> 00:27:35.920
was watching this on my laptop and I start the

585
00:27:35.920 --> 00:27:38.160
film and it's so damn dark. I had to move

586
00:27:38.200 --> 00:27:40.720
into my bedroom so I could see it, which was

587
00:27:40.839 --> 00:27:43.599
great for a horror film. I'm glad I did so

588
00:27:43.759 --> 00:27:47.200
because I love the opening shot when he's lighting his cigarette.

589
00:27:47.400 --> 00:27:48.000
It's just cool.

590
00:27:48.039 --> 00:27:51.519
It's like, just like and that lights up his face

591
00:27:51.720 --> 00:27:54.200
because he's in the middle of the dark, in the

592
00:27:54.240 --> 00:27:57.599
middle of nowhere. Great way to open the movie. Scary,

593
00:27:57.759 --> 00:28:01.200
it's storming, it's the mountainous hilly region there in the

594
00:28:01.200 --> 00:28:04.160
middle of El Paso. I think he's listened have been

595
00:28:04.200 --> 00:28:06.599
reminiscent of Desolate Road, a little listening to the radio

596
00:28:06.680 --> 00:28:11.039
going through Texas, so it establishes location. And yeah, I

597
00:28:11.079 --> 00:28:13.880
was like, yeah, keep pounding that coffee, that thermos of coffee. Man,

598
00:28:14.200 --> 00:28:16.680
been there, done that. But when you're that tired, there's

599
00:28:16.680 --> 00:28:19.640
no amount of coffee that's gonna save you. And that

600
00:28:19.839 --> 00:28:23.559
nodding off feeling is the worst. It's the absolute worst.

601
00:28:23.720 --> 00:28:27.599
So it's very relatable, like pinching yourself, biting your lip,

602
00:28:27.680 --> 00:28:29.519
trying to do whatever you kind of stay awake, it

603
00:28:29.559 --> 00:28:31.799
just doesn't work. It's like, please, please, let me get

604
00:28:31.839 --> 00:28:32.599
to where I need to go.

605
00:28:33.000 --> 00:28:36.359
That helps make sense why he does pick up the hitchhiker,

606
00:28:36.680 --> 00:28:38.720
and he says it later, he's like, I just thought

607
00:28:39.039 --> 00:28:41.039
i'd pick him up. It would help me stay awake

608
00:28:41.119 --> 00:28:44.039
if I had a passenger. And that almost makes sense.

609
00:28:44.359 --> 00:28:46.279
I thought it did, I like highly justified it.

610
00:28:46.480 --> 00:28:49.400
Yeah, another favorite Senier moment and it's just a moment

611
00:28:49.519 --> 00:28:51.759
and you already mentioned it. The shot of the gas

612
00:28:51.759 --> 00:28:55.440
station blowing up in the flaming car driving. It was like, Oh,

613
00:28:55.440 --> 00:28:57.920
that's awesome, that's cool because you know it's all practical.

614
00:28:58.240 --> 00:29:01.759
It looks fantastic, and you figure probably was only one take,

615
00:29:01.960 --> 00:29:04.240
so you can't blow up a gas stage multiple times.

616
00:29:04.759 --> 00:29:07.200
So the fact they got that on one shot, I mean,

617
00:29:07.240 --> 00:29:10.119
I can't confirm that. I mean that car is on fire.

618
00:29:10.799 --> 00:29:12.480
I was waiting for the tires to blow out. There

619
00:29:12.519 --> 00:29:14.480
was so much flame on that car. That was a

620
00:29:14.519 --> 00:29:15.039
cool shot.

621
00:29:15.279 --> 00:29:18.400
Yeah, and I apologize for stepping out it earlier when

622
00:29:18.440 --> 00:29:21.480
I said that earlier. But the way that that is

623
00:29:21.519 --> 00:29:25.079
shut because if I recall correctly, you see that gas

624
00:29:25.079 --> 00:29:29.039
station explosion in the background and then the car comes

625
00:29:30.079 --> 00:29:32.559
blazing it out back onto the freeway and you're like,

626
00:29:32.640 --> 00:29:36.519
oh my god, the car is completely engulfed. And now,

627
00:29:36.720 --> 00:29:39.400
like we do over analytical I'm looking at the stunt

628
00:29:39.480 --> 00:29:41.440
driver going, oh, is this one of those cases where

629
00:29:41.440 --> 00:29:44.519
it's just an incredible stunt, but it's clearly a stunt driver,

630
00:29:44.920 --> 00:29:45.680
a stunt double.

631
00:29:45.799 --> 00:29:47.680
But he actually the silhouette looked pretty good.

632
00:29:47.720 --> 00:29:50.640
I was like, Okay, I guy, this man being on

633
00:29:50.680 --> 00:29:52.400
the set that day to watch that would have been

634
00:29:52.400 --> 00:29:54.559
impressive because it looks cool.

635
00:29:54.640 --> 00:29:56.759
How about you, Jason sees her moments? Yeah?

636
00:29:56.799 --> 00:29:59.960
Absolutely, Yeah. My first favorite scene is what I'm entitling.

637
00:30:00.119 --> 00:30:04.559
It's not a French fry, no, it is a severed finger.

638
00:30:05.000 --> 00:30:08.039
And this is one of the two what I would

639
00:30:08.039 --> 00:30:12.000
call most iconic scenes and most well known scenes by

640
00:30:12.160 --> 00:30:16.279
horror fans, and especially fans of this film in particular.

641
00:30:16.799 --> 00:30:19.799
It's still creepy as hell. I actually enjoyed the pacing

642
00:30:19.839 --> 00:30:23.640
in this because at this point I was relating to

643
00:30:24.039 --> 00:30:27.680
Jim Halsey. He's been through it already. He's covered in gasoline.

644
00:30:27.759 --> 00:30:30.319
Is right after the scene that in that moment that

645
00:30:30.480 --> 00:30:33.119
Bill was describing, he's been through hell and now he's

646
00:30:33.200 --> 00:30:36.599
at the diner slash trading post. And this is when

647
00:30:36.640 --> 00:30:39.079
it's a great because we get to introduce to Jennifer

648
00:30:39.119 --> 00:30:41.720
Jason Lee, who we haven't talked about yet, who looks

649
00:30:41.759 --> 00:30:44.039
fantastic in this, and she's a breath of fresh air.

650
00:30:44.440 --> 00:30:47.440
She's a welcome sight. I think she's great in this

651
00:30:47.480 --> 00:30:49.920
as that girl next door living out in the middle

652
00:30:49.960 --> 00:30:52.440
of nowhere and she works with her family and she works,

653
00:30:52.799 --> 00:30:54.960
so I like there back and forth. But there's a

654
00:30:55.000 --> 00:31:00.519
moment when Jim really loses himself in thought while she's talking,

655
00:31:01.119 --> 00:31:05.839
because he's, just like he said, early traumatized. And he

656
00:31:06.000 --> 00:31:09.920
just slowly eats those fries and you know it's coming

657
00:31:09.960 --> 00:31:12.680
if you're a fan of this film, but if you don't,

658
00:31:12.839 --> 00:31:16.279
it's you know, it's the moment you always will remember.

659
00:31:16.359 --> 00:31:18.160
And he picks up the next French fry. It's not

660
00:31:18.200 --> 00:31:20.359
a French fry, it's a severed finger. And then it

661
00:31:20.440 --> 00:31:22.519
goes from there as he runs outside and cops are

662
00:31:22.920 --> 00:31:25.319
there thinking that he's the killer and he's been framed.

663
00:31:25.359 --> 00:31:28.640
All these things start happening after that. But it's just

664
00:31:28.759 --> 00:31:31.799
creepy because if you think, what if I was not

665
00:31:32.079 --> 00:31:34.880
because he almost puts it in his mouth, So that's

666
00:31:34.920 --> 00:31:36.599
the whole thing. It's like if you were eating a

667
00:31:36.640 --> 00:31:38.119
plate of fries and you didn't know there was a

668
00:31:38.119 --> 00:31:40.880
severed finger, then you picked it up and actually chomped

669
00:31:40.920 --> 00:31:45.200
down on it. No boy, No, that's some good scary stuff.

670
00:31:45.400 --> 00:31:47.119
I'm just still trying to figure out how the finger

671
00:31:47.160 --> 00:31:51.920
got there. Yeah, and that just shows how like distraught

672
00:31:52.359 --> 00:31:56.359
Jim is to not even realize picking up the The

673
00:31:56.440 --> 00:32:01.200
texture is different, it's thicker feeling, and something just catches

674
00:32:01.319 --> 00:32:03.440
the corner of his eye at the last second. Whose

675
00:32:03.440 --> 00:32:05.440
finger was it? Do we know whose finger it was?

676
00:32:05.880 --> 00:32:06.920
At that point?

677
00:32:07.079 --> 00:32:10.480
It could have been the passenger that was in the truck,

678
00:32:10.880 --> 00:32:14.119
that rider takes or hitches a ride with and then

679
00:32:14.200 --> 00:32:17.759
takes that truck over I'm assuming, But that's a great question.

680
00:32:17.960 --> 00:32:20.319
You just immediately this is where you start nitpicking and

681
00:32:20.359 --> 00:32:23.680
poking holes because is he some sort of supernatural creature

682
00:32:23.720 --> 00:32:25.839
that just can appear here and there and disappear without

683
00:32:25.839 --> 00:32:28.240
anyone seeing him? Because how did Jennifer Jason Lee not

684
00:32:28.319 --> 00:32:31.119
see the she served the plate to him, How does

685
00:32:31.160 --> 00:32:33.519
she not see the finger in the fries? So when

686
00:32:33.519 --> 00:32:36.440
did he put the finger on the plate. I'm sure

687
00:32:36.480 --> 00:32:38.519
if you were paying close enough attention, there may have

688
00:32:38.559 --> 00:32:40.359
been a split second when he could have slipped in

689
00:32:40.400 --> 00:32:43.039
and out, but I'm not sure when. But it's still

690
00:32:43.079 --> 00:32:45.799
it's an effective scene and it makes you go ooh,

691
00:32:45.839 --> 00:32:50.279
so yeah, me again. Let's keep it going, all right.

692
00:32:50.359 --> 00:32:53.440
This next one is featuring Jennifer Jason Lee. She plays

693
00:32:53.480 --> 00:32:54.519
the character Nash.

694
00:32:54.599 --> 00:32:56.599
By the way, I like that name very interesting.

695
00:32:56.839 --> 00:32:59.880
So this is the other iconic scene that is most

696
00:33:00.079 --> 00:33:03.079
memorable because of its gruesome nature. And you don't even

697
00:33:03.480 --> 00:33:06.839
it could have been so much worse. You don't see

698
00:33:06.880 --> 00:33:10.400
the end result. But this one still scares the hell

699
00:33:10.440 --> 00:33:13.519
out of me. The staging is great. We get Jeffrey

700
00:33:13.559 --> 00:33:16.920
DeMont here showing up on the scene at this rest

701
00:33:16.960 --> 00:33:20.359
stop with the trucks all parked there, and the sound

702
00:33:20.400 --> 00:33:24.359
design is great, and you have Nash Jennifer Jason Lee

703
00:33:24.480 --> 00:33:27.680
basically being drawn and quartered here. She's tied with her

704
00:33:27.759 --> 00:33:30.400
arms or wrists are tied to one end of a

705
00:33:30.440 --> 00:33:33.200
bobtail truck and her feet tied to the end of another.

706
00:33:33.240 --> 00:33:36.400
Semi I believe, and you have. I mean, I love

707
00:33:36.480 --> 00:33:39.359
the fact that the cops are feeling useless in the scene.

708
00:33:39.400 --> 00:33:42.279
They're like, you know what, Jim, you got to help

709
00:33:42.359 --> 00:33:44.799
us out. You know who this killer is. You've got

710
00:33:44.799 --> 00:33:47.680
to talk to him. We can't do anything because he's

711
00:33:47.799 --> 00:33:50.480
up in the truck about to release the clutch, and

712
00:33:50.519 --> 00:33:52.519
if he does, the truck rolls and she gets torn

713
00:33:52.559 --> 00:33:55.920
in half. And that scene when I just love the

714
00:33:55.960 --> 00:33:59.599
moments between Jim and John Ryder in the cab when

715
00:34:00.279 --> 00:34:02.240
Rutger Howard takes that gun and just puts it in

716
00:34:02.240 --> 00:34:04.079
his hand and points it right at his head and

717
00:34:04.079 --> 00:34:06.640
he says, do it. There's a line here that's my favorite.

718
00:34:06.720 --> 00:34:10.840
Rutger Howard just like streaming, sweat just dripping off his face.

719
00:34:11.239 --> 00:34:13.639
All this stuff just reminiscent of Blade Runner at the

720
00:34:13.719 --> 00:34:15.719
end time to Die with the rain coming down.

721
00:34:15.880 --> 00:34:16.840
I just love this shit.

722
00:34:17.320 --> 00:34:20.119
And Jim can't shoot him because if he does, then

723
00:34:20.119 --> 00:34:23.880
he definitely releases the clutch and Nash is dead. And

724
00:34:23.960 --> 00:34:27.039
so he puts the gun down and you see John

725
00:34:27.119 --> 00:34:33.480
Ryder simply say you useless waste. This is brutal. It's

726
00:34:33.519 --> 00:34:36.159
an awful scene. And then he releases the clutch and

727
00:34:36.199 --> 00:34:39.039
you hear her screams. That's the stuff of nightmares. Man,

728
00:34:39.159 --> 00:34:41.559
It's completely horrific.

729
00:34:41.760 --> 00:34:41.960
Yeah.

730
00:34:42.000 --> 00:34:43.920
The whole time I'm watching that scene and I know

731
00:34:44.320 --> 00:34:47.039
what happens to Nash, I'm just trying to figure out, like,

732
00:34:47.079 --> 00:34:49.000
what could the police have done to try to stop

733
00:34:49.039 --> 00:34:52.320
that truck? And I couldn't think of anything. I'm like,

734
00:34:52.320 --> 00:34:54.559
even though they try to race a car in there,

735
00:34:54.679 --> 00:34:56.400
just to hit the truck to keep it from moving.

736
00:34:56.639 --> 00:34:59.519
There's so much tension on her right then you only

737
00:34:59.559 --> 00:35:06.159
have two inches of give before she unfortunately dies. You

738
00:35:06.239 --> 00:35:08.679
really couldn't do anything. I think that's what even makes

739
00:35:08.719 --> 00:35:10.960
it worse, because you're just thinking about, Okay, is there

740
00:35:11.039 --> 00:35:13.320
any way you really could have stopped that from happening?

741
00:35:14.079 --> 00:35:14.639
You couldn't.

742
00:35:15.039 --> 00:35:17.239
Yep, Yeah, I think we kind of agree on the

743
00:35:17.320 --> 00:35:20.480
last scene. My reasons are way different than yours, but

744
00:35:20.840 --> 00:35:24.079
I think it's the final face off between John and Jim.

745
00:35:24.639 --> 00:35:26.440
I'll be honest, it's just for me because that just

746
00:35:26.599 --> 00:35:27.800
signals that the movie was over.

747
00:35:30.119 --> 00:35:34.039
Jeez. I love I did like the gun that I used.

748
00:35:34.320 --> 00:35:36.760
Oh yeah, I'm about to announce that name of that

749
00:35:36.800 --> 00:35:37.719
gun here shortly.

750
00:35:39.159 --> 00:35:40.800
But I think you might have liked a little bit

751
00:35:40.840 --> 00:35:41.440
more than I did.

752
00:35:41.880 --> 00:35:45.840
Oh man, this finale is shot so well. I love

753
00:35:46.039 --> 00:35:49.400
the moments, the connection where you see John Ryder aboard

754
00:35:49.480 --> 00:35:53.920
the bus. He's in shackles, but he's already figuring out

755
00:35:54.239 --> 00:35:56.400
how he's gonna get away and escape and we know

756
00:35:56.559 --> 00:35:58.360
he will, and he's looking at the gun in the

757
00:35:58.400 --> 00:36:01.400
holster of one of the guards and that's parallel to then,

758
00:36:01.480 --> 00:36:06.440
of course Jim in the sheriff's car with Captain Estridge

759
00:36:06.920 --> 00:36:09.599
and he's looking at the gun of Hiss Holster and

760
00:36:09.639 --> 00:36:11.320
it's the connection there.

761
00:36:11.400 --> 00:36:12.519
I love it.

762
00:36:12.599 --> 00:36:18.199
And obviously then Jim takes over the captain's cop car

763
00:36:18.280 --> 00:36:22.679
there and goes to goes after Jim, and of course

764
00:36:22.760 --> 00:36:27.760
Jim kills all the guards. And then that moment was ridiculous, man,

765
00:36:27.800 --> 00:36:31.800
when he jumps through the wind shield of the sheriff's

766
00:36:31.960 --> 00:36:34.760
car is frecking amazing and looks right up at see

767
00:36:34.800 --> 00:36:38.920
Thomas Holland goes hi, kid, and then slams on the brakes,

768
00:36:38.960 --> 00:36:41.800
goes flying back out the windshield. The moment when he

769
00:36:41.880 --> 00:36:44.400
just nails him with the just like it's time to

770
00:36:44.480 --> 00:36:48.639
kill this guy. I have no choice, and gets manages

771
00:36:48.639 --> 00:36:52.480
to get that engine turned over and just basically blows

772
00:36:52.800 --> 00:36:56.239
right through John Ryder. He goes flying backward, but yeah,

773
00:36:56.280 --> 00:36:58.400
and then puts three solid holes in him.

774
00:36:58.320 --> 00:36:59.079
With the shotgun.

775
00:36:59.840 --> 00:37:03.280
The backdrop, though, man, the lighting is as if they're

776
00:37:03.280 --> 00:37:05.760
the only two people in the desert at that moment.

777
00:37:07.679 --> 00:37:11.599
It oh my god, thank you very much exactly, and

778
00:37:12.039 --> 00:37:15.840
it's dark and the look on Rider's face it's that

779
00:37:16.000 --> 00:37:18.400
classic he comes back to life at the end of

780
00:37:18.480 --> 00:37:21.440
every eighties horror movie. That's one of those classic scenes.

781
00:37:21.679 --> 00:37:24.760
You think he's dead. Jim turns around to walk back

782
00:37:24.800 --> 00:37:27.280
to the truck, and then he stands up and you

783
00:37:27.320 --> 00:37:30.760
can literally see the camera the way the framing is

784
00:37:30.800 --> 00:37:32.840
where it's like, oh, they're allowing the space on the

785
00:37:32.920 --> 00:37:35.239
right side of the frame so that he can rise

786
00:37:35.320 --> 00:37:38.239
into frame, returning from the dead, and so that Jim

787
00:37:38.280 --> 00:37:41.559
can whip around and just blow him away with the shotgun.

788
00:37:41.840 --> 00:37:44.280
And then he goes to the truck and you hear

789
00:37:44.519 --> 00:37:46.719
in the sound design, you hear the lighting of the cigarette,

790
00:37:46.880 --> 00:37:50.440
which bookends the film for me, which I loved. Starts

791
00:37:50.480 --> 00:37:52.639
with him lighting the cigarette, ends with him lighting the

792
00:37:52.639 --> 00:37:58.000
cigarette as darkness is upon and love it, love it

793
00:37:58.119 --> 00:37:58.800
strong ending.

794
00:37:59.239 --> 00:38:00.159
I did like that.

795
00:38:00.199 --> 00:38:03.559
Jim was justified doing what he did and knew that

796
00:38:03.639 --> 00:38:05.840
Rider was going to escape, and by the time he

797
00:38:05.880 --> 00:38:08.840
gets on the scene, he's already killed all the guards

798
00:38:09.000 --> 00:38:11.760
and is about to jump out of the bus. Yeah,

799
00:38:12.079 --> 00:38:15.400
like that Rider doesn't seem all that surprised that Jim

800
00:38:15.480 --> 00:38:15.840
is there.

801
00:38:16.280 --> 00:38:18.280
I love that you've just said that, because it's as

802
00:38:18.280 --> 00:38:22.119
if he's expecting him. Yep, he's pleased that it ends

803
00:38:22.119 --> 00:38:24.400
this way. This is how he had it planned from

804
00:38:24.440 --> 00:38:25.000
the beginning.

805
00:38:28.800 --> 00:38:33.079
Okay, time to move on to Swiss cheese and complaint department.

806
00:38:33.159 --> 00:38:34.679
And what do we call it Swiss cheese?

807
00:38:35.119 --> 00:38:38.880
Because although this movie is delicious, it does have spas

808
00:38:38.960 --> 00:38:42.840
twelve semi automatic tactical combat shotgun holes.

809
00:38:43.159 --> 00:38:44.559
Oh, come on, I can't do that one.

810
00:38:45.840 --> 00:38:48.679
How about tactical combat shotgun holes?

811
00:38:48.880 --> 00:38:52.800
All right, tactical forget it, shotgun holes. I'm just saying

812
00:38:52.800 --> 00:38:55.519
that if it doesn't have those, yeah, make a complaint

813
00:38:55.519 --> 00:38:57.639
with the complaints apartment. So what do you have for

814
00:38:57.800 --> 00:38:58.840
swiss cheese and complaints?

815
00:38:58.920 --> 00:38:59.199
Of course?

816
00:38:59.239 --> 00:39:01.519
My big Swiss cheese is just how does Rider get

817
00:39:01.519 --> 00:39:03.880
everywhere that it needs a guy? Doesn't make any sense

818
00:39:03.880 --> 00:39:06.159
to me. You just seem to be there all the time,

819
00:39:06.199 --> 00:39:09.880
this mythical entity that just shows up that was driving

820
00:39:09.880 --> 00:39:10.679
me nuts.

821
00:39:10.519 --> 00:39:14.159
And not explained, understood, understood And by the way, yes,

822
00:39:14.199 --> 00:39:17.800
according to the trivia it's an SPAS. I just said,

823
00:39:17.880 --> 00:39:24.239
SPAZ twelve semi automatic tactical combat shotgun that's what Rider has.

824
00:39:24.119 --> 00:39:24.480
At the end.

825
00:39:24.519 --> 00:39:26.599
And then it obviously ends in the hands of Jim.

826
00:39:26.920 --> 00:39:31.599
But complaints, Yes, Swiss cheese. I mean after the sheriff

827
00:39:31.679 --> 00:39:37.519
station murders, when Jim awakens after falling asleep in his cell,

828
00:39:37.760 --> 00:39:39.800
and then the door to his cell is open and

829
00:39:39.840 --> 00:39:42.199
he goes out to discover all the bodies of the cops,

830
00:39:42.639 --> 00:39:45.159
and then the more police show up at the sheriff station.

831
00:39:45.639 --> 00:39:49.119
He decides to take the gun from one of the

832
00:39:49.159 --> 00:39:51.880
cops in the sheriffs and go run out the back

833
00:39:51.920 --> 00:39:54.559
and into the desert. I was like, where are you going?

834
00:39:54.760 --> 00:39:55.519
What's your plan?

835
00:39:55.679 --> 00:39:56.119
My man?

836
00:39:56.719 --> 00:39:58.880
Just go back into the cell and pretend like you're sleeping.

837
00:39:59.119 --> 00:40:01.360
You've got no blood out yet, There's no way you

838
00:40:01.400 --> 00:40:04.599
could have done this. I'm just reiterating what we said earlier.

839
00:40:04.639 --> 00:40:07.760
Why he keeps running into this desert. I started to

840
00:40:07.840 --> 00:40:08.760
drive me a little nutty.

841
00:40:09.000 --> 00:40:10.599
Well, how did you not hear anything that happened in

842
00:40:10.599 --> 00:40:14.440
the police station? That too that I didn't understand because

843
00:40:14.480 --> 00:40:18.280
all I'm thinking of this terminator, all the noise that made.

844
00:40:19.199 --> 00:40:21.320
But even if it's a silent kill, even if he's

845
00:40:21.400 --> 00:40:25.079
killing everyone by his hands, someone's screaming, someone's making noise.

846
00:40:25.679 --> 00:40:28.599
Hell yeah, he's so tense he would wake up in

847
00:40:28.639 --> 00:40:29.239
a second.

848
00:40:29.440 --> 00:40:32.880
Yeah, that's where it just feels like there's no question

849
00:40:33.760 --> 00:40:35.719
that dread that overhangs over it. But it is, like

850
00:40:35.760 --> 00:40:38.400
you said, kind of this mythical quality to this bad guy,

851
00:40:38.679 --> 00:40:40.880
Like how is he getting away with all of these

852
00:40:41.280 --> 00:40:45.199
things almost in complete silence or without anyone seeing him

853
00:40:45.239 --> 00:40:48.199
do it? I don't know, but I had just a

854
00:40:48.239 --> 00:40:51.800
couple others here. Did you have anything else for Swiss cheese?

855
00:40:52.119 --> 00:40:53.920
Swiss cheese? No, but complaints for sure.

856
00:40:54.000 --> 00:40:54.360
Please.

857
00:40:54.760 --> 00:40:57.159
Yeah, I'm just putting them all together, all the complaints.

858
00:40:57.239 --> 00:40:59.119
So go for it, man, Let loose.

859
00:40:59.199 --> 00:40:59.519
Okay.

860
00:41:00.039 --> 00:41:04.280
So we have that scene in the beginning when Jim

861
00:41:04.320 --> 00:41:07.039
has picked up John for the first time and they

862
00:41:07.039 --> 00:41:09.480
go through that construction zone and they have that whole

863
00:41:09.519 --> 00:41:12.760
scene with the construction driver and the driver sees that

864
00:41:12.880 --> 00:41:14.800
something's kind of off. So I'm like, oh, this is

865
00:41:14.840 --> 00:41:19.079
going to come back into play at some point. Yeah, No, nothing,

866
00:41:19.519 --> 00:41:22.480
that was it. He basically just saw Rider's hand in

867
00:41:22.599 --> 00:41:24.760
Jim's crotch and let it go.

868
00:41:25.320 --> 00:41:25.679
Yeah.

869
00:41:25.960 --> 00:41:28.000
I don't know if we're led to that's a great point.

870
00:41:28.159 --> 00:41:30.519
You would think that's a serious red flag. The alert

871
00:41:30.519 --> 00:41:32.360
would go up. But yeah, I don't know if he

872
00:41:32.559 --> 00:41:38.320
the construction worker thought maybe this was a homosexual relationship

873
00:41:38.360 --> 00:41:40.679
that they were having, that it was none of his business,

874
00:41:40.679 --> 00:41:42.960
and he was just like, move along, move along, right,

875
00:41:43.280 --> 00:41:47.519
But you would think, clearly something is rotten in Denmark here.

876
00:41:47.840 --> 00:41:50.360
Yeah, because just the way that Jim was reacting to

877
00:41:50.400 --> 00:41:54.519
it so uneasy, I would have thought the ladder like

878
00:41:54.599 --> 00:41:55.920
something something's off here?

879
00:41:56.440 --> 00:41:57.519
Not oh yeah, Oh.

880
00:41:57.719 --> 00:42:02.199
These two guys are a especially during that time period

881
00:42:02.559 --> 00:42:06.000
where it was still pretty under the radar. This I

882
00:42:06.039 --> 00:42:08.639
found funny. How do you let a station wagon with

883
00:42:08.679 --> 00:42:11.559
the boat hitch pass you on the road? How slow

884
00:42:11.599 --> 00:42:14.039
are you driving to let a station wagon with the

885
00:42:14.039 --> 00:42:15.400
boat hitch pass you?

886
00:42:15.400 --> 00:42:15.639
See?

887
00:42:15.679 --> 00:42:17.719
And you said there was no light moments in this film?

888
00:42:17.760 --> 00:42:20.360
Not there you go, there's a little there, right, I

889
00:42:20.360 --> 00:42:23.159
guess so I thought the same thing. I thought the

890
00:42:23.239 --> 00:42:26.360
exact said, there's no way, I are you doing thirty

891
00:42:26.360 --> 00:42:30.039
five on the white open? I mean, it doesn't make

892
00:42:30.079 --> 00:42:31.719
any sense. I don't know how that happened.

893
00:42:32.039 --> 00:42:35.400
Here's a question, somewhat of a complaint. Who was actually

894
00:42:35.400 --> 00:42:38.239
worse than this movie? John Ryder or the police force?

895
00:42:38.639 --> 00:42:39.719
Almost every one of those.

896
00:42:39.599 --> 00:42:40.679
Officers was a dick.

897
00:42:41.199 --> 00:42:44.119
Oh yeah, I mean they assumed Jim is the killer

898
00:42:44.199 --> 00:42:47.719
from the Get and then after that, they're just ready

899
00:42:47.719 --> 00:42:50.320
to put holes in him, no question about it.

900
00:42:50.360 --> 00:42:52.239
Literally going to shoot him in front of a bustle

901
00:42:52.239 --> 00:42:52.800
load of people.

902
00:42:53.360 --> 00:42:53.719
Yeah.

903
00:42:53.800 --> 00:42:56.440
I didn't catch that at first when he's when the

904
00:42:56.440 --> 00:42:58.360
one trooper was like you spin on me, wipe it

905
00:42:58.400 --> 00:43:01.639
off right until he said the second time, like, oh,

906
00:43:01.679 --> 00:43:03.119
he wants him to come at him so he could

907
00:43:03.119 --> 00:43:05.639
shoot it right. At least I got something out of

908
00:43:05.639 --> 00:43:07.719
this movie. So if that ever happens to me, I

909
00:43:07.800 --> 00:43:09.599
just stay still so I don't get shot.

910
00:43:09.679 --> 00:43:10.719
Yeah, no kidding.

911
00:43:11.360 --> 00:43:14.159
Yeah, he's trying to force him into a suicide by

912
00:43:14.159 --> 00:43:18.360
cop situation, and he wasn't happy. But the only time

913
00:43:18.559 --> 00:43:22.039
the cops don't come at Jim is the time that

914
00:43:22.159 --> 00:43:25.039
Jim actually takes the lead, like he takes the up hand,

915
00:43:25.079 --> 00:43:27.960
just coming out of the gas station and taking two

916
00:43:28.079 --> 00:43:31.599
of them hostage. And this is a scene I had

917
00:43:31.599 --> 00:43:33.880
an issue with because he just goes about it the

918
00:43:34.039 --> 00:43:38.360
entirely wrong way. He tells the younger cop, the clearly

919
00:43:38.480 --> 00:43:41.880
more fit cop, to put the handcuffs on the older cop,

920
00:43:42.119 --> 00:43:44.880
which should be the total reverse. You want to take

921
00:43:44.920 --> 00:43:48.239
out the young fit cop, Let the older guy drive

922
00:43:48.280 --> 00:43:50.079
the car while you're sitting in the back with them

923
00:43:50.119 --> 00:43:53.599
at gunpoint, and then he doesn't even disarm the younger,

924
00:43:53.639 --> 00:43:56.719
more in shape deputy, like, he lets him keep his gun.

925
00:43:56.880 --> 00:43:58.119
I'm like, what do you what is there?

926
00:43:58.400 --> 00:44:00.119
And the thing is, I would understand if he he

927
00:44:00.280 --> 00:44:03.280
was all completely you know, shaken up and all that

928
00:44:03.360 --> 00:44:06.039
and wasn't thinking clearly. But in the scene the way

929
00:44:06.039 --> 00:44:07.960
that see Thomas Howll is playing it, he seems to

930
00:44:07.960 --> 00:44:10.880
be very much in control and is really calling the shots,

931
00:44:11.280 --> 00:44:14.800
but makes two really huge errors while taking these two

932
00:44:14.960 --> 00:44:16.400
police officers hostage.

933
00:44:16.679 --> 00:44:20.400
Oh but there was a highlight. So after he radios

934
00:44:20.559 --> 00:44:23.239
Estridge and decides he's going to turn himself in, and

935
00:44:23.280 --> 00:44:25.840
then Surpryce Sprice rider shows up and shoots both the

936
00:44:25.840 --> 00:44:28.519
troopers and a car goes off the road the way

937
00:44:28.719 --> 00:44:31.920
see Thomas how gets a car, freaks out and runs

938
00:44:31.920 --> 00:44:34.519
in the desert. Yeah, that was pretty genuine. I'd probably

939
00:44:34.519 --> 00:44:36.880
do the same thing, just like, son of a bit.

940
00:44:37.039 --> 00:44:41.000
Nothing's going right totally at that point. He just loved

941
00:44:41.079 --> 00:44:44.800
that was a great reaction. That's great that I mean that.

942
00:44:44.920 --> 00:44:48.039
I still just had honestly only other complaintss him running

943
00:44:48.079 --> 00:44:48.719
into the desert.

944
00:44:48.760 --> 00:44:52.480
But because there's oh there's one, I will say, there's

945
00:44:52.480 --> 00:44:54.320
one more point, there's one more time that yeah?

946
00:44:54.480 --> 00:44:55.400
Is it that? No?

947
00:44:55.440 --> 00:44:59.000
It's after the giant police chase when he, Jim and

948
00:44:59.079 --> 00:45:01.360
Nash are in the car, he pulls over in the

949
00:45:01.360 --> 00:45:04.760
busted up police car, which is still running. They literally

950
00:45:04.840 --> 00:45:08.840
pull over with no one no longer chasing them and

951
00:45:09.039 --> 00:45:11.559
get out of the car and go running into the desert.

952
00:45:11.800 --> 00:45:13.239
Yep, why what.

953
00:45:13.599 --> 00:45:16.599
I understand it's a police car and it's identifiable because

954
00:45:16.639 --> 00:45:19.199
it's been all shot up. But I think your odds

955
00:45:19.199 --> 00:45:21.199
are better staying in the car and driving along the

956
00:45:21.239 --> 00:45:24.679
highway then just taking this poor girl and running in

957
00:45:24.840 --> 00:45:29.480
a random direction in the middle door. Agreed, enough, go ahead, man,

958
00:45:29.880 --> 00:45:33.199
my last one then yeah, yeah is the final scene.

959
00:45:33.519 --> 00:45:37.360
So rider jumps through the car right, he hits the brakes,

960
00:45:37.840 --> 00:45:40.800
sends him flying, and then the car doesn't start, Like,

961
00:45:41.039 --> 00:45:44.000
what did you do the car to make it not start?

962
00:45:44.320 --> 00:45:47.840
After Rider shoots the car repeatedly, I could see why

963
00:45:47.840 --> 00:45:50.159
the car wouldn't be starting at that point, but it

964
00:45:50.199 --> 00:45:52.719
should have turned over the first time. There's nothing that

965
00:45:52.760 --> 00:45:57.199
happened to that car or truck to not start. It's like,

966
00:45:57.280 --> 00:45:59.679
this is fake tension because we know it's going to

967
00:45:59.719 --> 00:46:02.920
turn over when he uses the turnover. It's true, It's true.

968
00:46:03.000 --> 00:46:05.760
And if you want to go even further, when John

969
00:46:05.880 --> 00:46:09.360
is just blowing holes in the truck with that shotgun,

970
00:46:09.760 --> 00:46:11.639
why is he not aiming for the radiator? I mean,

971
00:46:11.800 --> 00:46:14.519
there's no way that car starts again. Yeah, even though

972
00:46:14.519 --> 00:46:17.639
we know or I'm going here, I am trying to

973
00:46:17.679 --> 00:46:20.840
find reasons to make this work. Is that Oh maybe

974
00:46:20.880 --> 00:46:23.920
he purposefully wasn't shooting for the grill and the radiator

975
00:46:24.239 --> 00:46:27.239
to allow Jim to restart the car so he could

976
00:46:27.360 --> 00:46:31.719
run him over. But it's all should put it neutral,

977
00:46:31.880 --> 00:46:37.239
put it? Uh, that's great stuff, man, love it. That's hilarious.

978
00:46:37.280 --> 00:46:39.199
See there is some humor in this movie. That's actually

979
00:46:39.239 --> 00:46:39.719
a comedy.

980
00:46:40.039 --> 00:46:40.480
There you go.

981
00:46:40.639 --> 00:46:43.880
Time to move on to Hey, it's an actor, all right?

982
00:46:44.400 --> 00:46:46.599
So in this segment with Spotlight, a character you have

983
00:46:46.679 --> 00:46:49.159
seen in many other films, an actor making their big

984
00:46:49.159 --> 00:46:52.360
screen debut, or an actor that makes an uncredited cameo.

985
00:46:52.880 --> 00:46:54.800
It's Hey, it's an actor. Who do we choose this week?

986
00:46:54.880 --> 00:46:55.199
Jason?

987
00:46:55.719 --> 00:46:58.000
This week we chose for our Hey, it's that actor

988
00:46:58.559 --> 00:47:04.400
armand Shimmerman. He plays interrogation sergeant. And we chose this

989
00:47:04.519 --> 00:47:07.920
gentleman because it's all about Bill right now, and I'll

990
00:47:07.960 --> 00:47:11.679
explain why shortly. Here we go Armand Shimmerman character actor

991
00:47:11.719 --> 00:47:14.719
from Jersey. I recognized him immediately. He's got one of

992
00:47:14.719 --> 00:47:17.679
those faces, even though what I recognize him for is

993
00:47:17.920 --> 00:47:20.280
a part where he plays a character with a lot

994
00:47:20.280 --> 00:47:22.920
of makeup on. Anyway, here's his eighty snapshot. From eighty

995
00:47:22.960 --> 00:47:25.320
to eighty five, he does one offs, meaning a lot

996
00:47:25.320 --> 00:47:28.960
of TV shows, but just one episode of each, all

997
00:47:29.000 --> 00:47:31.440
the way from Hill Street Blues to Facts of Life.

998
00:47:31.559 --> 00:47:33.320
Then he does the hitcher here in eighty six he

999
00:47:33.360 --> 00:47:37.119
does blind Date, like Father, Like Son. After that, but

1000
00:47:37.119 --> 00:47:39.039
I'm going to get right into it. From eighty seven

1001
00:47:39.079 --> 00:47:42.559
to ninety four, he's in four episodes of Star Trek

1002
00:47:42.639 --> 00:47:46.239
the Next Generation as characters named I think it is

1003
00:47:46.239 --> 00:47:48.800
it l Tech or Leitech, Diamond.

1004
00:47:48.400 --> 00:47:50.880
Bractor, and yes, Quark.

1005
00:47:51.800 --> 00:47:55.239
And that's who we really know armand Shimmerman as because

1006
00:47:55.280 --> 00:47:58.960
he portrays the Ferengi named Quark and one hundred and

1007
00:47:59.000 --> 00:48:00.880
seventy two or one hundred and seven. I saw both

1008
00:48:00.880 --> 00:48:05.119
these numbers episodes that is of Star Trek Deep Space nine.

1009
00:48:05.440 --> 00:48:08.320
From nineteen ninety three to nineteen ninety nine, he shows

1010
00:48:08.400 --> 00:48:10.559
up as Quark elsewhere in the Star Trek universe. Over

1011
00:48:10.599 --> 00:48:13.000
the years, goes on to do a ton more TV

1012
00:48:13.119 --> 00:48:16.320
and voiceover work in video games Little Trivia. Here he

1013
00:48:16.440 --> 00:48:18.679
was the first actor ever to play a Ferengi on

1014
00:48:18.880 --> 00:48:21.719
Star Trek, as Lee Tech or Lateech on the Star

1015
00:48:21.760 --> 00:48:26.079
Trek The Next Generation nineteen eighty seven episode The Last Outpost.

1016
00:48:26.280 --> 00:48:28.320
Five years later, he was off the role of Quark

1017
00:48:28.360 --> 00:48:31.039
on Star Trek Deep Space nine and was the first

1018
00:48:31.039 --> 00:48:33.880
Farrangi character in the main cast of any Star Trek series,

1019
00:48:34.239 --> 00:48:37.039
and a role that he would play for seven years.

1020
00:48:37.679 --> 00:48:43.559
And Bill Bant, if I'm not mistaken, you recently completed

1021
00:48:44.760 --> 00:48:47.800
being the completest you are watch the entire Star Trek

1022
00:48:47.840 --> 00:48:49.400
Deep Space nine series.

1023
00:48:50.039 --> 00:48:51.960
Yeah, it took me about five months. I've tried to

1024
00:48:51.960 --> 00:48:53.960
watch an episode a night, unless it was a two

1025
00:48:53.960 --> 00:48:55.960
parter that I would watch too. And then so you

1026
00:48:56.000 --> 00:48:58.119
got to the final season, and then I have to

1027
00:48:58.159 --> 00:49:02.079
find out what was going on. I finally been DS nine,

1028
00:49:02.239 --> 00:49:05.320
which I just couldn't get into when it originally came out,

1029
00:49:05.440 --> 00:49:08.119
and wow, that was a great show. And the whole

1030
00:49:08.280 --> 00:49:12.039
Quark Odo back and forth was awesome. A lot of

1031
00:49:12.039 --> 00:49:13.199
great characters in that show.

1032
00:49:13.559 --> 00:49:15.679
Yeah, Arvin Shimmerman is great in that role.

1033
00:49:16.079 --> 00:49:19.320
He's terrible in this though. Yeah, a little different. You're

1034
00:49:19.360 --> 00:49:22.320
not a very good interrogator. Time to move on to

1035
00:49:22.519 --> 00:49:24.679
facts and trivia. What are some facts in trivia we

1036
00:49:24.800 --> 00:49:26.559
have about the Hitcher.

1037
00:49:27.400 --> 00:49:32.360
In Rutger Howard's book All Those Moments, Howard mentioned how

1038
00:49:32.400 --> 00:49:37.239
executive producer Edward S. Feldman settled on Sam Elliott for

1039
00:49:37.280 --> 00:49:41.480
the role of John Ryder. Howard states that apparently Elliott

1040
00:49:41.519 --> 00:49:44.159
was so scary when he came into audition that Feldman

1041
00:49:44.280 --> 00:49:45.760
was afraid to go out to his car.

1042
00:49:45.800 --> 00:49:46.239
Afterward.

1043
00:49:46.920 --> 00:49:49.639
Sam Elliott had a scheduling conflict and had to back

1044
00:49:49.679 --> 00:49:50.320
out of the role.

1045
00:49:50.679 --> 00:49:54.119
That would be so interesting, right, I can't see that.

1046
00:49:54.719 --> 00:49:55.880
It's really hard.

1047
00:49:55.920 --> 00:49:59.440
I love Sam Elliott, freaking love that guy, and I just, yeah,

1048
00:49:59.519 --> 00:50:05.840
don't see see him as this psycho, serial killer, this stalker, hitchhiker.

1049
00:50:05.960 --> 00:50:06.719
It's hard.

1050
00:50:07.000 --> 00:50:09.199
I'd pay to see it now. I'd like to see

1051
00:50:09.239 --> 00:50:12.280
what you do with it, but wouldn't be my first choice.

1052
00:50:13.039 --> 00:50:16.400
No, that blowed me away when I read that. So

1053
00:50:16.599 --> 00:50:20.079
see Thomas Howell's fear when Ruckerhower was holding the knife

1054
00:50:20.119 --> 00:50:23.519
near his eye was genuine. Howard improvised the line and

1055
00:50:23.559 --> 00:50:26.440
the position of the knife, and see Toom's Howe admit

1056
00:50:26.519 --> 00:50:29.039
it that he was actually afraid of Ruckerhower on and

1057
00:50:29.079 --> 00:50:32.360
off the set because of Howard's general intensity.

1058
00:50:33.159 --> 00:50:36.079
Yeah yeah, read that, Bill.

1059
00:50:36.320 --> 00:50:38.679
You thought this felt long for an hour and thirty

1060
00:50:38.719 --> 00:50:42.280
seven minute movie, Well, the original script was long enough

1061
00:50:42.280 --> 00:50:45.559
to make a three hour movie. Scenes that were never

1062
00:50:45.599 --> 00:50:48.880
filmed include writer slaughtering an entire family, an eyeball appearing

1063
00:50:48.880 --> 00:50:50.880
in a hamburger. This was replaced with the finger in

1064
00:50:50.880 --> 00:50:53.599
the plate of French fries, a graphic sex scene between

1065
00:50:53.840 --> 00:50:57.519
a character named Gal Galveston, which was a girl that

1066
00:50:57.559 --> 00:51:00.639
appears in the film before Nash. The sex was supposed

1067
00:51:00.639 --> 00:51:04.000
to between this Gal and Jim, and a character being decapitated.

1068
00:51:04.599 --> 00:51:08.880
This movie underwent several rewrites which removed the gorrier moments.

1069
00:51:09.679 --> 00:51:12.239
This could have been a lot gorrier, that's for sure.

1070
00:51:12.800 --> 00:51:19.800
Wow, three hours, come on, so Eric read The screenwriter

1071
00:51:20.239 --> 00:51:22.840
can be seen in a cameo role towards the end

1072
00:51:22.960 --> 00:51:26.199
of this movie as a deputy sheriff escorting John Ryder

1073
00:51:26.280 --> 00:51:29.800
to the transfer bus. There's so many troopers, I got

1074
00:51:29.840 --> 00:51:30.559
them all mixed up.

1075
00:51:31.039 --> 00:51:31.440
Mm hmm.

1076
00:51:31.639 --> 00:51:34.000
There's a lot of them, but as recent as twenty

1077
00:51:34.079 --> 00:51:39.559
twenty four, filmmaker Christopher Nolan cited it This Being the

1078
00:51:39.639 --> 00:51:43.320
Hitcher as one of his favorite films, saying, as a teenager,

1079
00:51:43.360 --> 00:51:46.320
I never questioned the logic of this eighties chiller, but

1080
00:51:46.400 --> 00:51:50.679
now it seems mind bendingly arbitrary plot wise. However, it

1081
00:51:50.719 --> 00:51:54.639
does feature the criminally underappreciated Ruttor Howard in his finest

1082
00:51:54.960 --> 00:51:59.880
and most influential europsycho performance this side of Blade Runner.

1083
00:52:00.280 --> 00:52:02.840
Yeah, see, I've read that and go, what am I missing?

1084
00:52:03.320 --> 00:52:04.079
What am I missing?

1085
00:52:04.320 --> 00:52:06.480
You really do? Feel like you're the only one that doesn't.

1086
00:52:06.480 --> 00:52:08.159
I do? I do? I really do.

1087
00:52:08.880 --> 00:52:11.679
While performing that last sequence of the windshield stunt which

1088
00:52:11.719 --> 00:52:14.320
we mentioned, Rutger howerd knocked out one of his teeth

1089
00:52:14.400 --> 00:52:16.440
with the shotgun he was holding in his hands.

1090
00:52:16.679 --> 00:52:18.840
Feeling you almost see it in that scene.

1091
00:52:19.320 --> 00:52:20.360
Yeah, he did.

1092
00:52:20.559 --> 00:52:22.239
Apparently a lot of his stunts, a lot of the

1093
00:52:22.239 --> 00:52:24.679
stunt driving, and everybody's really impressed.

1094
00:52:24.880 --> 00:52:26.599
Rut Or Howard just supreme.

1095
00:52:26.199 --> 00:52:31.559
Badass, all right, Jason. Alternative titles, Yes, my favorite. It's

1096
00:52:31.559 --> 00:52:33.119
some of these I think I actually like more than

1097
00:52:33.159 --> 00:52:35.480
the movie itself. So let's see what you like, all right?

1098
00:52:36.000 --> 00:52:40.239
Here we go from Brazil, Death asks for a ride,

1099
00:52:41.320 --> 00:52:48.679
Denmark on Stop was a Killer, Grease, the Hitchhiker of Horror, Hungry,

1100
00:52:49.159 --> 00:52:54.239
the Phantom of the Highway, Peru the Passenger of Death,

1101
00:52:54.880 --> 00:53:01.039
Portugal Highway Terror, Spain Highway to Hell.

1102
00:53:01.840 --> 00:53:03.280
Yeah, there you go.

1103
00:53:03.800 --> 00:53:10.960
Germany the Hitcher, the highway Killer, Italy the Hitcher, the

1104
00:53:11.039 --> 00:53:16.599
Long Road of Fear, and finally Mexico the Hitcher, the

1105
00:53:16.679 --> 00:53:17.599
road Assassin.

1106
00:53:18.280 --> 00:53:23.079
Oh, very strong stuff. Yeah, I still I think my

1107
00:53:23.119 --> 00:53:24.000
favorite still is the first.

1108
00:53:24.039 --> 00:53:24.760
What was the first one?

1109
00:53:24.760 --> 00:53:27.800
Again? Death asked for a ride? Death asks for a ride.

1110
00:53:28.199 --> 00:53:29.199
I like that one too.

1111
00:53:29.480 --> 00:53:32.559
Instead of like death goes for a ride, Death takes

1112
00:53:32.599 --> 00:53:36.480
a ride, it's Death asks for a ride like see

1113
00:53:36.760 --> 00:53:38.440
like the grim Reaper on the side of the road.

1114
00:53:38.519 --> 00:53:39.840
Just being really polite.

1115
00:53:40.400 --> 00:53:42.199
Yeah, hey, can you give me right?

1116
00:53:42.239 --> 00:53:45.039
Hey, I got a question Bill, real quick. Have you

1117
00:53:45.079 --> 00:53:48.360
ever heard I'd never heard before this a hitchhiker being

1118
00:53:48.400 --> 00:53:51.079
referred to as a hitcher like short for hitchhiker. Have

1119
00:53:51.159 --> 00:53:55.239
you heard that before? I always thought of them as hitchhikers. Yeah,

1120
00:53:55.239 --> 00:53:58.519
I just had never hurt that in like nomenclature or whatever,

1121
00:53:58.719 --> 00:54:01.159
like that was a thing in the term. But obviously

1122
00:54:01.320 --> 00:54:03.000
it is Yeah, I just want to mention it.

1123
00:54:03.199 --> 00:54:05.840
Okay, let's move on to box office. So The Hitcher

1124
00:54:05.920 --> 00:54:09.320
was released on February twenty first, nineteen eighty six, in

1125
00:54:09.599 --> 00:54:12.840
seven hundred and ninety four theaters, with a production budget

1126
00:54:12.880 --> 00:54:16.480
of approximately eight million. The Hitcher went on to gross

1127
00:54:16.519 --> 00:54:20.079
five point eight million in North America. It opened number

1128
00:54:20.079 --> 00:54:22.519
eight at the box office and dropped out the top

1129
00:54:22.599 --> 00:54:25.960
ten the following week. The movie ended up being the

1130
00:54:26.000 --> 00:54:30.280
one hundredth highest grossing movie in the United States, hence

1131
00:54:30.360 --> 00:54:35.400
the cold classic status that movie bombedkame. Moving on to reviews.

1132
00:54:35.440 --> 00:54:37.440
From growing up in the eighties, we would watch at

1133
00:54:37.440 --> 00:54:39.840
the movies with Geens Cisco and Roger Eber to hear

1134
00:54:39.880 --> 00:54:43.079
their reviews and watch clips of upcoming movies. Their review

1135
00:54:43.159 --> 00:54:50.239
of The Hitcher was unanimous two thumbs way, way way down.

1136
00:54:50.639 --> 00:54:51.480
Are you happy now?

1137
00:54:51.760 --> 00:54:53.960
This is how they summed up the film. When they

1138
00:54:54.000 --> 00:54:57.599
recapped their reviews, we gave two thumbs down to The Hitcher,

1139
00:54:57.920 --> 00:55:03.960
the disgusting exploitation of perverted violence. We hated it Rotten

1140
00:55:03.960 --> 00:55:07.159
Tomatoes because a Tomato Meter score of sixty two percent

1141
00:55:07.400 --> 00:55:10.079
was a Popcorn Meter score of seventy five percent. It

1142
00:55:10.119 --> 00:55:12.920
also has an IMDb rating of seven point two. Those

1143
00:55:12.960 --> 00:55:15.920
are pretty good, though, and that takes us to additional

1144
00:55:15.960 --> 00:55:18.400
thoughts and questions. What are some additional thoughts and questions

1145
00:55:18.440 --> 00:55:20.000
you have about The Hitcher?

1146
00:55:20.599 --> 00:55:24.079
My first additional thought is that there are actually three

1147
00:55:24.119 --> 00:55:28.199
people that didn't like this movie, Bill Ban, Gene Cisco,

1148
00:55:28.199 --> 00:55:28.840
and Roger Eater.

1149
00:55:29.159 --> 00:55:29.639
There we go.

1150
00:55:30.280 --> 00:55:32.199
I only got one other additional thought, Man, I think

1151
00:55:32.239 --> 00:55:35.559
I've just talked about everything else along the way here.

1152
00:55:35.599 --> 00:55:37.199
It is throughout.

1153
00:55:36.920 --> 00:55:40.599
Everything, Jim Halsey never seems to run out of cigarettes.

1154
00:55:41.039 --> 00:55:42.000
Oh that's a good call.

1155
00:55:42.199 --> 00:55:45.320
He's got endless, endless cigarettes. I was happy, especially had

1156
00:55:45.360 --> 00:55:47.880
that he got soaked by gasoline.

1157
00:55:47.960 --> 00:55:49.719
Every time he pulls on. I'm like, what, how does

1158
00:55:49.719 --> 00:55:51.800
he still have cigarettes? At this point? He keeps just

1159
00:55:52.239 --> 00:55:53.679
you want to smoke, You want to smoke. I gotta

1160
00:55:53.679 --> 00:55:54.480
smoke this.

1161
00:55:54.679 --> 00:55:58.599
I kept thinking about Jennifer Jason Lee's character Nash, if

1162
00:55:58.639 --> 00:56:01.920
she had survived the move. She reminded me so much

1163
00:56:02.079 --> 00:56:05.519
of her character from Miami Blues. I'm like, if she'd

1164
00:56:05.599 --> 00:56:07.840
got now this town. Yeah, I know, she said joined

1165
00:56:07.840 --> 00:56:10.000
to go to California, but if she went to Florida instead,

1166
00:56:10.239 --> 00:56:13.440
that's what she would have become same universe. Maybe the

1167
00:56:13.480 --> 00:56:15.360
way she kind of talked she had some of that.

1168
00:56:15.800 --> 00:56:18.079
Mm hmm. I was trying to look for positives.

1169
00:56:18.119 --> 00:56:20.800
I'm like, oh, Nash had survived, Yeah, she would ended

1170
00:56:20.880 --> 00:56:22.440
up with Alc Baldwin to Miami.

1171
00:56:22.119 --> 00:56:24.840
Blues, another great movie.

1172
00:56:25.239 --> 00:56:28.800
Mm hmm. Anything else for thoughts and questions?

1173
00:56:29.159 --> 00:56:32.119
Nope, that's all I had. Man, I'm ready to get

1174
00:56:32.119 --> 00:56:32.920
into the wrap up.

1175
00:56:33.559 --> 00:56:36.679
All right, So let's give it our rating. So on

1176
00:56:36.719 --> 00:56:40.360
a scale of one to five. Dismembered fingers, what did

1177
00:56:40.400 --> 00:56:41.599
you give the hitcher?

1178
00:56:42.079 --> 00:56:44.320
I could have sworn you were gonna go with tactical

1179
00:56:44.360 --> 00:56:45.639
combat shotguns.

1180
00:56:46.320 --> 00:56:50.159
Oh no, I initially was, but I'm like, I don't

1181
00:56:50.159 --> 00:56:52.960
know if I supposed to say Spas or Spaz.

1182
00:56:53.000 --> 00:56:54.480
I'm like Spaz for.

1183
00:56:54.559 --> 00:57:00.760
An automatic hilarious. Yes, let's go with dismembered face. I'm

1184
00:57:00.760 --> 00:57:03.800
giving it a really strong three point five. You might

1185
00:57:03.880 --> 00:57:07.360
feel after my sharing of love for this film, it

1186
00:57:07.440 --> 00:57:09.920
might have been higher, but I recognize its flaws. This

1187
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is far from a perfect film. It does have some

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pacing issues. I agree with the Bill Band on a

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lot of the points that he made, especially if you

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had not seen this as a teenager and you didn't

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00:57:20.159 --> 00:57:23.000
have any attachment to it, but I did, and I do,

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00:57:23.639 --> 00:57:27.519
and it stays with me. This film had a profound

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00:57:27.599 --> 00:57:31.320
effect on me. I vividly remember seeing these things, so

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00:57:32.079 --> 00:57:35.000
much so that my memory embellished, Like I said, the

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00:57:35.000 --> 00:57:37.760
Mandela effect, where I thought there was a lot more gore,

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especially in the beginning when they come across the two

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abandoned vehicles or what seemed to be abandoned vehicles that

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actually have dead bodies in them. And man, when you

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see this stuff, it's more impactful the way they film it,

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when they don't show you everything, because then as a kid,

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00:57:53.320 --> 00:57:56.559
your imagination runs away with it and it's really horrific.

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So rutger Hower, I'm just such a fan, such a

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00:58:00.639 --> 00:58:03.920
fan of his look, of his delivery, his presence. It

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00:58:03.960 --> 00:58:06.679
was him, the music, the way it was shot. I

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00:58:06.800 --> 00:58:09.679
just wish, you know, maybe ten, maybe twenty thirty minutes

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00:58:09.719 --> 00:58:11.519
could have been cut out of this and it could

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00:58:11.519 --> 00:58:14.920
have been a tighter package, but still delivers for me.

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00:58:15.519 --> 00:58:18.840
I get into the psychological aspect of it. I like

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00:58:19.199 --> 00:58:22.760
reading into this trying to figure out why, and then

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being maybe even more scared to think there really is

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no why at all. So I will still recommend this

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movie to those that haven't seen it. Just try to

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watch it when you're fully awake and alert and be ready.

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That for a little bit slower hour and thirty seven minutes,

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but still entertaining.

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For me.

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I find some entertainment in this still. After I had watched.

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This movie, I went online and I'm like, Okay, let's

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00:58:50.639 --> 00:58:52.440
see what other people think about this. I can't be

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00:58:52.519 --> 00:58:54.719
the only one that doesn't like this movie. And Jason,

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00:58:55.079 --> 00:58:57.280
there was a girl who did a first watch video

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of the Hitcher and the first orson our mouthware how

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00:59:00.639 --> 00:59:02.440
much he loved this movie, and I was like, God,

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00:59:02.519 --> 00:59:06.000
damn it. Is there not anyone else that's not a

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00:59:06.039 --> 00:59:10.480
critic that doesn't like this film. With all that being said, though,

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I'm only giving it two dismembered fingers, so it's not

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a one, it's not a zero. It's okay, all right.

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I think it's well made. I do think it's a

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00:59:19.519 --> 00:59:22.480
well made movie. There's just too many questions and just

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the dread that you feel throughout this whole movie. It

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00:59:25.800 --> 00:59:29.280
just weighs me down too much and I couldn't get

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00:59:29.440 --> 00:59:33.039
into it. Nothing wrong with the performance. Is way too

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00:59:33.079 --> 00:59:36.079
many troopers to keep track of it. Seemed like every

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ten minutes there's another set of troopers coming in. If

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00:59:38.760 --> 00:59:40.480
we did a quiz like here's the trooper who was

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00:59:40.519 --> 00:59:44.800
the actor? I would fail horribly. There was a handstad

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00:59:44.800 --> 00:59:46.960
actor Jack Tibau.

1238
00:59:46.760 --> 00:59:47.159
Was in there.

1239
00:59:47.440 --> 00:59:50.800
Oh yeah from Escape from Alcatraz. Oh I know that

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00:59:50.840 --> 00:59:54.480
guy from something right. I could not connect to this movie.

1241
00:59:54.559 --> 00:59:57.679
I wasn't feeling it and will I go back and

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00:59:57.800 --> 01:00:02.599
ever tried to watch it again now. I think I

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01:00:02.719 --> 01:00:06.079
saw the remake which everyone killed, and then I didn't

1244
01:00:06.119 --> 01:00:08.280
realize there was a second one. Holy crap.

1245
01:00:08.599 --> 01:00:10.119
Yeah, we didn't even talk about that.

1246
01:00:10.360 --> 01:00:13.480
Yeah, but it does have Carrie Warren it who surprised surprise.

1247
01:00:13.639 --> 01:00:15.480
That's all you need to know about that one. I'll

1248
01:00:15.480 --> 01:00:16.360
definitely watch it now.

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01:00:18.079 --> 01:00:20.599
I'm just that guy who just doesn't like that movie.

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01:00:20.960 --> 01:00:23.280
That's all there is to it. And for all of

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01:00:23.320 --> 01:00:27.239
you listening who love it and think it's I wouldn't

1252
01:00:27.239 --> 01:00:30.320
say a masterpiece, but just really enjoy it, just own it,

1253
01:00:30.559 --> 01:00:33.639
watch it all the time. Ey, difference of opinion, it

1254
01:00:33.760 --> 01:00:35.920
is what it is. There's movies out there that you

1255
01:00:36.079 --> 01:00:38.599
like that I don't like, or vice versa, and this

1256
01:00:38.719 --> 01:00:38.960
is it.

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01:00:39.000 --> 01:00:39.400
But I do.

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01:00:39.440 --> 01:00:42.400
Thank Jason for handing me for the last four years

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01:00:42.400 --> 01:00:44.880
to finally watch this movie. And we had it on

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01:00:44.920 --> 01:00:47.320
the schedule last year. No, we've had it on the

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01:00:47.320 --> 01:00:50.840
schedule twice and he ended up getting bumped. So we

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01:00:50.920 --> 01:00:52.079
finally got around to it.

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01:00:52.199 --> 01:00:52.719
We did it.

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01:00:52.880 --> 01:00:55.719
Hopefully there'll be some other movies that Jason has seen

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01:00:55.760 --> 01:00:57.719
that I have not seen that we will do and

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01:00:57.760 --> 01:01:00.519
I will like them. Because right now, Jason pushed Ice

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01:01:00.599 --> 01:01:04.199
Pirates and that was crap. Now you push the Hitcher,

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01:01:04.360 --> 01:01:07.440
So now I'm a little wary the next time you

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01:01:07.480 --> 01:01:09.840
really want another movie we want to watch in the

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01:01:09.880 --> 01:01:13.719
future episode, but two dismembered fingers. Sorry, just didn't do

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01:01:13.760 --> 01:01:16.800
it for me. I'll stick with the Freddy Krueger or

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01:01:16.840 --> 01:01:18.880
Mike Myers going around chopping up people instead.

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01:01:19.000 --> 01:01:19.760
It's fair enough.

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01:01:19.800 --> 01:01:22.400
I may not like your opinion, bill Band, but damn it,

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01:01:22.480 --> 01:01:25.119
I respect it. And I have to say, Cisco and

1276
01:01:25.119 --> 01:01:28.840
Ebert are not happy. They're looking down from above, not

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01:01:28.960 --> 01:01:30.880
happy that you didn't give it zero stars.

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01:01:30.880 --> 01:01:34.440
That's all I'm saying. Zero, rob yeah, Robert zero. They

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01:01:34.519 --> 01:01:37.320
both yeah killed. I didn't think it was that best,

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01:01:38.039 --> 01:01:39.199
all right, all.

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Right, that wraps up this week's episode. Thank you so

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01:01:41.519 --> 01:01:43.719
much for hanging out with us. We really appreciate it.

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01:01:43.840 --> 01:01:46.199
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01:01:49.480 --> 01:01:52.119
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01:01:52.159 --> 01:01:55.639
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01:01:55.719 --> 01:01:58.559
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01:01:58.599 --> 01:02:00.000
you with you next time, so you jump into an

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01:02:00.039 --> 01:02:03.599
other unforgettable gem than the greatest movie decade of all time,

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01:02:03.800 --> 01:02:06.840
the nineteen eighties. Until then, stay awesome and have an

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01:02:06.840 --> 01:02:07.679
excellent to everyone.

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01:02:08.360 --> 01:02:10.719
There's something strange going on between the two of you.

1293
01:02:11.519 --> 01:02:12.400
I don't know what it is.

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I don't want to know.

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Thanks for staying up with us. Good Night world,