March 9, 2026

The Abyss (1989)

The Abyss (1989)
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Season 61989 MoviesSci-Fi

"Deep below the blue surface, there lies a place no one has ever dreamed of....." In this episode, we discuss the sci-fi underwater adventure 'The Abyss.' The movie stars Ed Harris, Mary Elizabeth Mastrantonio and Michel Biehn. Written and directed by James Cameron.

The Abyss - IMDB: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0096754/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_0_tt_8_nm_0_in_0_q_the%20aby
The Abyss - Rotten Tomatoes: https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/abyss

Bill's Letterboxd Ratings: https://letterboxd.com/bill_b/list/bills-all-80s-movies-podcast-ratings/
Jason's Letterboxd Ratings: https://letterboxd.com/jasonmasek/list/jasons-all-80s-movies-podcast-ratings/
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Hello, and welcome to the All Eighties Movies podcast podcast,

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where we talk about the blockbusters, love blocks and everything

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in between from one of the precious decades from movies,

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the nineteen eighties. I'm your host Bill banton along mcminis

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journey revisiting eighties movies. Is my co host Jason Matsek. Hello, Jason.

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I saw these things.

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I touched one of them and it wasn't some clunky

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steel can like we would build. It glided. It was

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the most beautiful thing I'd ever seen. Oh God, I

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wish you'd been there. It was a machine. It was

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a machine, but it was alive. It was like a

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dance of light. Please, you have to trust me.

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Now.

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I don't think they mean us any harm. I don't

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know how I know that.

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It's just that's right. Listeners, we're discussing with spoils a plenty.

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The nineteen eighty nine science fiction undersea adventure The Abyss.

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It was produced and distributed by twentieth Century Fox. The

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movie stars Ed Harris, Mary, Elizabeth Master, Antonio, and Michael

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Been directed by James Cameron. This movie is rated PG thirteen,

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with a running time of two hours and twenty minutes.

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The movie was nominated for four Oscars for Best Cinematography,

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Best Art Direction, Set Direction, Best Sound, and one for

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Best Effects Visual Effects. We will be discussing the theatrical

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version of the movie for this episode. So what is

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this movie about? What's on the box? If you grew

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up in the nineteen eighties and what's your local video

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store to rent this movie? You would find this description

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on the back of the VHS box. It is What's

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in the box? Take it away?

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Jason Writer, director James Cameron, and producer Gail Anne Hurd

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have teamed again to create this epic underwater adventure. When

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a nuclear missile sub mysteriously sinks, the Navy commandeers the

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crew of a civilian deep sea oil rig to help

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in the rescue operation. This perilous mission becomes a wondrous

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odyssey into the unknown as forces from the ocean's deepest

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region begin to make contact with the divers. For Bud

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Brigman Ed Harris and his estranged wife Lindsay Mary Elizabeth Masterntonio,

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it becomes also a test of their physical and emotional limits.

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Their journey into the endless night of the Ocean's deaths

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lays bare the human heart in an elemental confrontation between death, love,

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and something else, the strange inhuman watchers in the Abyss,

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Requiring the most complex underwater sets, photography, and special effects

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ever attempted. This science fiction thriller is suspenseful filmmaking at

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its best. There's everything you've ever known about adventure, and

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then there's The Abyss.

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So that was what's on the box. Jason, do you

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remember when you first saw The Abyss?

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No, that's as plain as it gets. I do not.

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I don't have any early memories of who I was with,

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where I was. Nothing. I'm just going to defer to

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you on this one.

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This was a rental for me, but I really really

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wanted to see in the theater. Did you suit as

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a kid where you would root for a movie even

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though you didn't see it, You just hoped it did

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well based on maybe who was acting in it or

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who the director was.

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That's a great point, build Bands. Yeah, absolutely, a thousand percent.

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I mean I wished I had seen this in the theater.

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I can't remember a damn thing. I really don't know

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if I did or not in the theater, but I knew,

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of course it was a James Cameron film, and thus, yes,

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I was rooting for it. But that's interesting to think

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back as a kid, you would just be a fan

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of filmmakers, actors, etc. And just yeah, want it to

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do well, regardless of seeing it or not, because you

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knew eventually you would get around and seeing it.

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Right, Yeah, exactly. So let's talk about the movie. What

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are our impressions of the abyss.

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Yeah, let's get right into it. Man, I'm going to

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read you what I wrote down. This is what I

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was feeling before I even rewatched this film. This is

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a movie I really like, but don't necessarily adore, but

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immensely respect, and strangely, I've visited it more than a

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few times over the years. However, I this is what

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I wrote, Bill. I have trouble recalling the smaller moments

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outside of the visitation from the Alien Race and the

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contentious relationship between Ed Harris and Mary Elizabeth Masfrontonio. Ed

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Harris throng is ring in the toilet, the magical fluid

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that allows you to breathe inside under the water. It

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allows you to breathe that great depths the testing of

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the liquid with the mouse Michael Bean being a Navy

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sealed dickhead and succumbing to the pressure sickness ed Harris

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making the deep dive descent. So I'm ready to all

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of this. Okay, wait, wait, actually I remember a shit

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ton like this is like I remember everything from this movie. Clearly,

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I like it very much, so I thought that was

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interesting because it but I do kind of have this

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strange it's not even love hate. It's almost an indifference

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to this movie. And I'm not sure why, and I'm

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not sure if I figured it out. Actually on this

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I just really really did enjoy watching it again and

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I keep coming back to it, so clearly there's a

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part of me that really really appreciates this film. So

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my impression today is like, it's still a banger. We'll

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get into all the reasons why. But what were your

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impressions upon the rewatch?

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This isn't James Carmon's best movie, Okay, Yeah, for me,

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it's my favorite movie. There you go, Okay, because I

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love submarine movies, and granted there's only small scenes that

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happen at submarine, but just that claustrophobic element of being

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under the sea, I just love it. I love the characters.

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It's like the premise of it. Yeah, the ending doesn't

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quite stick the landing, but even watching the special edition,

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which is still another thirty minutes, this just flies by.

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I just like everything about it is a fun movie,

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and you really see watching this how it's the blueprint

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for Cameron's future films T two, Titanic, Avatar. You see

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all of that in this movie, which is kind of

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cool to see where the grassroots were, especially when you

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think about nineteen eighty nine was the year of the

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undersea adventure. We had Deep Start six, we had Leviathan

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that we covered, and then the Roger Corman contribution Lords

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of the Deep, which I did watch for some reason.

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I don't know why you can skip that one for sure. Yeah,

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there's just something about this movie I adore and I

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remember when I got it on VHS and I couldn't

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wait until I came out on DVD or Blu ray,

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and it just never did. Cameron wasn't a big fan

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of it, so I didn't get to watch it as

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much as I wanted to. But luckily I did find

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a copy and I just put it in and next

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thing I know, I'm like, holy crap, it's over. And

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even with all the quirky characters, and a lot of

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them don't have a lot of develop but I thought

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there wasn't like anybody that was over the top quirk

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mm hmm. I found everyone interesting. Yeah, and even though

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you just got a little bit about them, I mean

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more was developed in the special edition. But I really

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like the characters of this. I thought Ed Harris and

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Mary Elizabeth master Antonio were really good in this. It

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really made me think about Mary Lizabeth Masterton, like, why

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mm hmm did she not do more? I mean she

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had a string of hits and then she kind of faded.

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Yeah, I really liked her in this.

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So I'm trying to remember all of the great points

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you just made because I want to touch on each

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one of them and talk about all the I've listed

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everything you just said for myself. I like the fact

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that you use the word adore. You adore this, and

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I was saying that I didn't necessarily adore it, but

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I respect it. And I think you nailed it on

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the head when you were just discussing the concept because

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I was thinking about the beginning to this. Of course,

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I just love this great opening with where you just

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hear the ping sound effect and then the great title

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card comes up with that great music. Let's give a

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shout out to Alan Silvestri. I'm a big fan. I've

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collected his scores over the years, so that's all real strong.

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And then of course when you see that title card,

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all I think is that great Frederick Nietzsche quote and

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if you gaze long into the abyss, the abyss also

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gazes into you. That's one of my favorite quotes. And

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then we have this great initial action sequence and this

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is going to be coming back to what you were

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talking about with the aspects of this concept and the

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claustrophobic nature and that you like the submarine films, because

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as soon as this intense opening happens where the submarine

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crashes into the side, the wall of Nann becomes flooded

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and you see, it's like, oh my god, all my

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fears are realized and it's so intense and anxiety inducing.

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And that's just what this does for you. As far

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as that excitement. You said, this is fun and exciting,

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and that's exactly what it is and what most submarine

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films have made well are. I'm a big Crimson Tide fan.

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Hunt for our October again. Another classic. But this is

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definitely up there with the great sub or let's say

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sub underwater submersible floating platform movies, if you will. And

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it's the freaking concept man, Like I said, okay, and

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I remember watching it going there's this submersible drilling platform.

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There's an oil rig on the ocean floor. I loved

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Cameron's futuristic vision of what could be done or be

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capable of being accomplished in the future underwater, as far

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as exploration or in this case, digging for oil. But

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it's that horror aspect man, the fear factor being that

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deep underwater. It's just a great backdrop for a thriller.

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Like you said, the claustrophobia, the pressure literally and figuratively

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seems like bud and catfish swimming from one underwater hatch

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to another underneath the platform in freezing water, nonetheless holding

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your breath. The fear of drowning. There's just too many

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ways to die. Build this way too. The nervous disorder, Yeah, implosion, freezing,

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having a door blown out off its hinges and directly

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into you. That's a whole that's a like I'm like,

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uh ah, but yeah, so I'm glad you touched on that,

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because that's one of the first things I just want

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to say, and that's probably why I I always end

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up coming back to this movie and rewatching it is

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because the idea is great. And then I'm also thinking

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you touched on the cast. So it's interesting because I

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was making comparisons to Aliens, which is the predecessor to this,

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and how we adore that ensemble cast, right, And you

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can probably name a lot of those characters because they

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seem to be so specific. Obviously Michael Bean, but then

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Bill Paxton, I could go down the list of the names.

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So you have another ensemble cast here. Are they quite

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as memorable as the cast from Aliens? Maybe not, but

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they all kind of hold their own and they have

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their moments and they're still fun. So James Cameron, let's

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talk about him for a second. I was in high

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school when this came out, and I was already a

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big Cameron fan the Terminator Aliens. Of course, Bill bed

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did you know Cameron wrote the initial draft for Rambo

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First Blood Part two?

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Yes, only because when we were doing our prep for

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First Blood and I was looking into the other movies.

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I don't know if I ever did that love that.

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But I'm thinking this is really his third, big, big

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tent pole type of movie, right, it's his fourth directorial

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feature if you consider Piranha two The Spawning is really

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his first directorial effort. But man, it's wild because he's

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directed what ten features in total, and I'm not including

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like the deep sea exploration films and shorts and videos

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and such. I mean, you can look at his filmography,

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but James Cameron is a titan in the business, and

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you think he directed more exactly, but it's ten. It's

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just the ten.

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this movie YEP, where they found a tank and had

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everybody get certified as divers and then film hours hours underwater,

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such a troubled production. Ed Harris and Mary Elizabeth Master

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Antonia will not talk about this movie whatsoever. It's wild.

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bit in trivia. But you're right, I don't know if

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it's true or not. But supposedly At Harris punched James

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Cameron at one point. You know, actually, Michael be and

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power goes out, yes, and they're all in their wetsuits

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and whatnot, scuba di and then it just shuts down

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and it's like you're in pitch black. What do we

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do now? But luckily power came back on. So yeah,

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just to stick with Cameron for a moment, I had

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a question for you, and it's something that arose for

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me in the beginning of this film. As entertaining as

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it is right from the jump, I am not always

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crazy about Cameron's writing. Now we know he pens all

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his films like it's either him or maybe one other

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person that writes the screenplay. He's usually credit for the screenplay,

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and I sometimes the exposition feels a little forced or

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two on the nose. It's just sometimes the dialogue bugs

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me a little bit, and it's either simplicity or generic.

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we get to meet Bud Brigman, who's the foreman on

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this underwater soil rig. And now it's like, okay, here

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comes Lindsay his now well his wife, but they're separated

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and they're going through a divorce. Supposedly, we get the

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great Chris Elliott in a supporting role, calling her a

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queen bitch of the universe. What a great, great thing.

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It's like, it's so obvious. It's like, okay, some of

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the dialogue is kind of feeding you these relationships through

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the words instead of showing you, and it's pretty obvious

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as to how they feel about one another. I don't know,

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how do you feel about Cameron's dialogue overall?

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I didn't have an issue with it, Okay. I think

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the only scene that bugged me in the beginning is

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when Lindsay and the seals are in the tank and

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she's just kind of going over the pressure sickness m hm,

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and he keeps interrupting him being a dick. Yes, that

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was maybe a little too on the nose.

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Correct, Yes, yes, yes, yes, there it is that that

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you're you're getting closer to what I was not saying properly.

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audience need to know what's going to happen to his

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character later on, So she has to say that and

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he keeps interrupting her. So that's yeah, that felt a

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little forced. Yeah, okay, yeah, that's one of those things.

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As soon as she yeah, she as soon as she

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brings up the high pressure nervous syndrome or something like

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that HPNS. Is that something? Is that correct that I

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actually come close? But yeah, as soon as she brings

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that up, you're like, oh, well that's coming into play right,

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you know later that's pretty right on the mark there.

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That's that's gonna be a big deal later on. But

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great cast. We talked about the ensemble cast, but let's

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talk about Michael Bean for a moment, if we If

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you want to men for me on this rewatch, he's

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the standout. I've always been a huge fan of his.

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I already knew going into this, of course, that he's

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a prick in this movie. But man, something happened to me.

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I don't know during this having I haven't seen it

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in a while. I felt like he was a little

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bit of a sympathetic character. He comes down with this

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syndrome and he's going through hell, and I really appreciated

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his performance as that pressure anxiety that he was succumbing

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to was really getting to the shaking would get worse.

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There's a great scene he has with Mary Elizabeth Masfromtonio

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where you know she's upset because they brought the warhead

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on board the nuclear warhead onto the platform, and she's

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really pissed, of course, and he has the gun behind

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his back and he's keeping like this low tone, trying

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to keep calm, but he's sweating and he's shaking. At

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the same time, I'm like, damn, dude. I mean, he's

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had a great career, but still, man, I always thought

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he should have been more. I just I love that guy.

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I appreciated his performance a lot in this.

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I couldn't get beyond the mustache. I didn't know what's

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going on with that thing. I didn't get some scissors

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strimming up. It was just like strings, We're just hanging

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off his face. I don't know what was going on.

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There, all right, all right. I always forgot that he

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at one point starts slicing up his arm.

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He's a cutter. At one point, Oh yeah, starts cutting.

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That's hardcore.

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I'm like, oh damn, I totally forgot about that.

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But I think I always love when you identify a

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character with the movie Michael Bean. You think of the Terminator,

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he's the good guy and he sacrifices himself to save

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the future, and then you see him in this and

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then he's the bad guy, and you're like, oh, come on, man,

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be the good guy.

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It sucks because he's not only terminated, but then he's

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Hicks and Aliens. He's a hero in.

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That too, exactly and now and this is the exact opposite,

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and you're like, oh, this kind of sucks. I want

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to be a good guy. Why can't it be part

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of the oil rig or something.

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Yeah. Then of course he's in Tombstone. He's so great

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in that too.

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Yes, he is a bad guy.

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So Johnny is it? Johnny Ringo?

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Is that Johnny Ringo? Yeah?

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So love us some Michael Bean, Mary Elizabeth mas Antonio.

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I was like, wait a minute, what else? What has

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she done? Oh yeah, just had a hell of a

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run in the eighties Scarface, The Color of Money, January Man,

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Class Action, Robin Hood Prints, The Thieves, The Perfect Storm.

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After the eighties, not too shabby. She was in some

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great stuff, I don't know, underrated, underappreciated.

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She's an Oscar nominee. Yeah, and she just kind of vanished.

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Yeah the recent times. I mean, she was on the

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Punisher series and then she's been doing Law and Order

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organized crime. So she's still working, right, but still very

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much under the radar at the same time, and has

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been kind of that way for years now. Yeah, I

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felt that way too. I just kind of watched him like, yeah,

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she should have been doing some moret stuff. I don't know,

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maybe his personal life stuff. She's really in some good films,

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oh yeah, but not as much as I felt like

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she should have been in.

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Agreed. And then of course we have the man, and

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I mean the man, Ed Harris. Just can't get enough

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of him.

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He's just so solid and believable as that hard working

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blue collar every man, but yet handsome enough to be

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the leading man and always convincing. I don't think I've

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ever seen it, Ed Harris. I performance I didn't care

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for exactly.

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I couldn't think of anything.

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Even more recent times like Maverick. He's great in the

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beginning of that every time. He's just an actor that

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is always welcome. Whenever he pops up on screen, you're like, hell, yeah,

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give me more Ed Harris. And I just wanted to

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say I love the fact that after he goes to

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retrieve the wedding ring he threw down the toilet, that

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his hand is blue the entire time.

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Oh yeah, this entire film.

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His hand is blue.

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Yeah, he is super solid in this.

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Yeah, fantastic, Bud Virgil Bud Brigman got to talk about

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the effects very quickly. I mean, this was a game changer,

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you mentioned it. Overall, I felt the alien creature design

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was wonderful. It's like Close Encounters of the third kind

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two point oho or even three point zero. The creatures

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look fantastic and they're mesmerizing, just as our characters and

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our heroes are watching, you know, being witnessed to these creatures,

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and they're just jaw dropped in awe. That's how you

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feel when you're watching it, especially for the first time.

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The water tentacle of course, which I'll touch on later,

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that's like, okay, like you said, laying the groundwork, and

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it's just really cool to watch. And I feel like

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it still holds up for the most part. The CGI

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the effects are pretty pretty damn good, especially man like

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nineteen eighty nine, Oh yeah, freaking Cameron.

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There's not that much in its special effects wise, when

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I'm like, ooh, yeah, that needs to be updated. I

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would say ninety percent of it still holds pretty well.

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And I do remember, I know we're going to talk

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about the water tentacle scene later, but every entertainment show

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have a segment about how they did that. I remember

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that was on all summer long. Every program we'll talk

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about how they did that effect and computers, and it

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was really the cutting edge. And because of that movie,

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you know, we get Jurassic Park, we get T two.

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So that was really the stepping stone right there. That

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was really the biggest jump we had with computer technology

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because it looked.

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So real, groundbreaking. I know, what other words descriptors do

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you want to use, but we had never seen anything

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like that before and that's the fact, and that is

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one of the major standouts of the movie. So yeah,

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like I said, you know, have had a strange relationship

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as far as my passion for this film, But yet

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I can't not watch it repeatedly. So I don't know

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what's tugging or pulling at me and my feelings about it.

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But Cameron Movies, Man, The Terminator, Aliens, True Lies, those

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are my favorites. I've never been a huge Titanic fan.

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Titanic Oh oh, I've been saying it wrong exactly. Wow,

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that's embarrassing. But again, it's like one of those films

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where I respect the achievement. Here's Cameron groundbreak and you

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just never seen anything like this before, So just sit

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back and enjoy it for the the scope of it.

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But yeah, if anything, it's I think I just sometimes

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have issues with his writing, and I'll just kind of

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leave it at that. The last thing I'll say is

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regarding my initial thoughts. I was watching this Bill Benton,

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I was making an Armageddon comparison. Did Armageddon kind of

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take this idea of space? It cross my mind, Yes

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it did. You got some similarities here, right, A military

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mission recruits oil riggers to do the big job. All

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hell breaks loose, people die, the foreman has to sacrifice

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himself to prevent the mass destruction.

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Similar themes, hmm, yeah, but all on the nose there.

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Last thing I would just mentioned is just a deep itself.

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What amazing sets. I just love their walking down hallways

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and there's just a valve sticking out in the hall.

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I'm like, why is that sticking out like that? And

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someone runs into it? That makes no sense, But just

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all twisted pipes and metal and you got your steel

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doors and everything. And then even there where they launched

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the subs forward, that room was just so cool.

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Oh the moon pool.

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Yeah, just all the little details that no one's really

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gonna notice. It is all there on screen. I'm sure

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if I asked Cameron what was this pipe for, he

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would know the answer.

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Correct. He most likely that's.

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The way he works, And everything was in there for

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a reason. Yeah, because there's that one scene when Lindsay

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first comes on and she's turning all these valves.

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She's like, oh, why is this here?

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Like this, like she knows exactly where to go and

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with the check and she turns the one and then

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Bud goes back and turns it back because it's like, well,

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he's been down here, so he knows. She thinks she

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knows what it is on paper, but he knows what

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it is being down there. So I always found that fun.

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It's great. I'm glad you gave it a shadowt just

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because obviously it was nominated for our direction and set

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and all that stuff deservedly. So I'm when you get

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into the research on this film, it is immense. It's

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lengthy and it's detailed and it's wonderful, but you just

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get a real appreciation for how much work was put

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into this and how much time and man hours and

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et cetera. But when you're watching it, you're right. It's

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attention to detail. We talked about it on our Aliens pod.

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It was the same thing with all the detail, and

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we talk about it with any Star Wars film, and

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like the Classic trilogy What I Love Like you go

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inside the Millennium falcon and there's just blinking lights and

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levers and buttons and things that twist and turn all

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over the place and I don't know what they are,

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and some of them just look like blinking lights. But

456
00:22:41.640 --> 00:22:44.759
it looks like it has a purpose. And you made

457
00:22:44.799 --> 00:22:48.079
an interesting comment when you said you probably wouldn't notice

458
00:22:48.119 --> 00:22:50.079
it or even think about it. But that's the point.

459
00:22:50.119 --> 00:22:53.359
The thing is, if it wasn't there, you would notice

460
00:22:53.519 --> 00:22:54.960
because it wouldn't feel real.

461
00:22:55.279 --> 00:22:57.680
True. So, yeah, this is a movie I wish I

462
00:22:57.720 --> 00:23:01.599
had seen on the big screen. I'm hoping the opportunity

463
00:23:01.640 --> 00:23:04.519
will come up someday. If it does, I'm all over it.

464
00:23:04.680 --> 00:23:06.839
Yeah, it's a great time. And that's where I'm gonna

465
00:23:06.880 --> 00:23:09.960
end my initial thoughts commentary here is that I had

466
00:23:09.960 --> 00:23:12.559
a blast with it, and yes, it went by in

467
00:23:12.599 --> 00:23:14.960
the blink of an eye. It's a very, very fun,

468
00:23:14.960 --> 00:23:15.599
easy watch.

469
00:23:15.880 --> 00:23:19.319
Yeah, okay, let's move on to favorite scenes or moments.

470
00:23:19.440 --> 00:23:21.720
What were some of your favorite scenes or moments from

471
00:23:21.960 --> 00:23:26.240
the ABYSS. Yeah, let's talk about it. I think you

472
00:23:26.240 --> 00:23:28.559
and I have the same first one, correct.

473
00:23:28.519 --> 00:23:28.880
We do?

474
00:23:29.279 --> 00:23:29.480
Yes?

475
00:23:29.519 --> 00:23:30.839
We do? Do you want you want to start? Do

476
00:23:30.839 --> 00:23:31.920
you want me to start? Oh?

477
00:23:31.960 --> 00:23:32.519
You could start?

478
00:23:32.640 --> 00:23:36.400
All right, I'm just simply calling this scene the crane

479
00:23:36.599 --> 00:23:42.559
drops the crane. Yeah. So at this point in the film,

480
00:23:43.000 --> 00:23:47.160
Hurricane Frederick also know as just Hurricane fred is throwing

481
00:23:47.440 --> 00:23:51.160
the Explorer support ship. The Explorer is this ship that

482
00:23:51.279 --> 00:23:54.079
is on the surface. It's being tossed all over the

483
00:23:54.079 --> 00:23:56.559
place due to this hurricane. And it's called the support

484
00:23:56.559 --> 00:24:00.319
ship because there's like this umbilical cable cord that is

485
00:24:00.519 --> 00:24:04.440
extending from the crane aboard this support ship all the

486
00:24:04.440 --> 00:24:08.000
way down miles down into the deep and it's connecting

487
00:24:08.039 --> 00:24:12.119
to the deep Core submersible, which is the oil rig

488
00:24:12.440 --> 00:24:15.480
the submersible platform, I should say, it's a giant platform

489
00:24:15.759 --> 00:24:18.359
where our oil riggers are working in this crew led

490
00:24:18.400 --> 00:24:23.400
by Ed Harris and the support ships being shook around

491
00:24:23.960 --> 00:24:27.920
and the deep Core. They can't disengage or disconnect the

492
00:24:28.000 --> 00:24:30.799
umbilical cord because good old Michael Bean is one of

493
00:24:30.799 --> 00:24:32.920
the Navy seal well, he's the Navy Seal lieutenant has

494
00:24:32.960 --> 00:24:35.720
taken off with the flatbedsmercible, which is the only thing

495
00:24:35.759 --> 00:24:39.279
that can disconnect the cable, and so when the hurricane's

496
00:24:39.319 --> 00:24:42.920
tossing the support ship around, now all hell breaks and

497
00:24:43.039 --> 00:24:46.759
it basically jars this crane loose off of the support ship.

498
00:24:46.759 --> 00:24:51.279
It breaks off, snaps off, sinks down, and almost hits

499
00:24:51.319 --> 00:24:54.519
the deep core platform. It's just a really super intense

500
00:24:54.720 --> 00:24:57.240
scene where you're just kind of literally and figuratively holding

501
00:24:57.279 --> 00:25:01.119
your breath really close calls and just scares the head

502
00:25:01.119 --> 00:25:04.559
out again. Anxiety inducing. I mean, it's the scene is

503
00:25:05.119 --> 00:25:06.720
It's like a ten to fifteen minute scene.

504
00:25:06.720 --> 00:25:09.960
It feels like, oh yeah, just no. According to the book,

505
00:25:10.000 --> 00:25:12.720
the crane operator dies. In case anyone's wondering if you

506
00:25:12.759 --> 00:25:15.799
survived or not, I was wondering that actually when I

507
00:25:15.960 --> 00:25:22.680
when they lose communications with the explorer and don't know

508
00:25:22.720 --> 00:25:26.319
what's going on, and then the explorer's able to get

509
00:25:26.319 --> 00:25:27.839
a hold of them a short wave and say the

510
00:25:27.880 --> 00:25:30.720
crane is coming. The crane is coming, and then you

511
00:25:30.960 --> 00:25:32.599
just see the I don't even know what it is.

512
00:25:32.640 --> 00:25:35.960
The umbilical cord, just the thing and just listening to

513
00:25:36.000 --> 00:25:38.160
it and just fold on each other and like holy shit,

514
00:25:38.400 --> 00:25:41.319
and then brace for impact and everybody's running around getting prepped,

515
00:25:41.680 --> 00:25:44.880
running through each other like perfectly, like they've been drilled.

516
00:25:45.240 --> 00:25:47.440
And part of me is almost like they might have

517
00:25:47.480 --> 00:25:49.279
been better off that the crane actually hit them.

518
00:25:49.720 --> 00:25:50.519
Yeah, totally.

519
00:25:50.559 --> 00:25:52.599
Because then the crane hits the ground, they're all like

520
00:25:52.720 --> 00:25:56.240
who made it? And then it tumbles over the abyss,

521
00:25:56.440 --> 00:25:59.079
pulls the umbilical cord with them and then pulls them

522
00:25:59.200 --> 00:26:02.480
almost to the themselves at almost getting pulled over, which

523
00:26:02.519 --> 00:26:03.799
causes so much damage.

524
00:26:04.200 --> 00:26:04.319
Hm.

525
00:26:04.559 --> 00:26:06.960
It's a crazy scene. It's a crazy scene like it

526
00:26:07.079 --> 00:26:09.680
first relieved and then the crane's just sitting there on

527
00:26:09.720 --> 00:26:13.039
the edge and they're like whoo and they're like, oh shit,

528
00:26:13.359 --> 00:26:16.160
oh there it goes yeah.

529
00:26:16.240 --> 00:26:18.240
Oh man. It's such a great moment. And this is

530
00:26:18.359 --> 00:26:20.480
this is good filmmaking, This is good tension building. This

531
00:26:20.559 --> 00:26:23.440
is all extremely exciting and like so the crane drops

532
00:26:23.440 --> 00:26:25.079
and you're like, oh crap, it's going to land on

533
00:26:25.119 --> 00:26:27.279
top of the platform and who knows what it would

534
00:26:27.279 --> 00:26:30.440
just break through and then water's coming in and all

535
00:26:30.480 --> 00:26:33.079
these things. One of the but you mentioned like the sound.

536
00:26:33.160 --> 00:26:36.240
The sound design is brilliant because his sonar is picking

537
00:26:36.279 --> 00:26:39.640
up the crane as it's dropping through the ocean towards

538
00:26:39.720 --> 00:26:42.359
them and potentially on top of them. And you just

539
00:26:42.359 --> 00:26:46.400
hear the ping going boom boo boo boo boo boo

540
00:26:46.480 --> 00:26:49.599
boo as it's getting closer and closer, a little reminiscent

541
00:26:49.640 --> 00:26:53.119
maybe of a motion tracker from aliens maybeways the aliens

542
00:26:53.160 --> 00:26:56.599
get closer, boo boo boop. So yeah, great sound design.

543
00:26:56.960 --> 00:26:59.279
When that thing goes over the edge and almost drags

544
00:26:59.319 --> 00:27:02.559
them off the cliff, all hell breaks loose. Now there

545
00:27:02.640 --> 00:27:05.000
is water coming on board the vessel. And this is

546
00:27:05.160 --> 00:27:08.559
again when we come to like worst fears realized. Like

547
00:27:08.680 --> 00:27:10.480
I was just going to ask you what's your for?

548
00:27:10.759 --> 00:27:14.400
You know, the worst fear when being underwater, because being

549
00:27:14.440 --> 00:27:18.119
a submarine in an enclosed space like that and filling

550
00:27:18.200 --> 00:27:20.680
up with water and you can't shut the door in

551
00:27:20.799 --> 00:27:24.119
time behind you, and then you just overcome with these

552
00:27:24.240 --> 00:27:27.240
huge waves coming in because all the pressure, and then

553
00:27:27.279 --> 00:27:30.559
you drown or maybe you even do close the hatch

554
00:27:30.640 --> 00:27:33.559
and the hatch comes off its hinges and blows apart

555
00:27:33.640 --> 00:27:35.599
at like at one hundred miles an hour. It hits

556
00:27:35.640 --> 00:27:38.039
you in the face, like, I'm like, this is what

557
00:27:38.160 --> 00:27:41.079
happens in the scene. Super intense.

558
00:27:41.720 --> 00:27:45.000
Yeah, as much as I like submarine movies, there's no

559
00:27:45.079 --> 00:27:47.640
way I would ever go on one though. Yeah, I

560
00:27:47.640 --> 00:27:49.680
don't know how those people did it. Hats off to them.

561
00:27:49.839 --> 00:27:51.160
I just want to give a shout out to one

562
00:27:51.160 --> 00:27:54.119
moment in the scene too, which is great. So you know,

563
00:27:54.200 --> 00:27:57.960
these compartments aboard this oil rig platform are filling with

564
00:27:58.039 --> 00:28:01.480
water because the hull has been breached, and so they

565
00:28:01.519 --> 00:28:04.519
need to get from one apartment to the one compartment

566
00:28:04.599 --> 00:28:07.000
is flooding. They need to get out, close the door

567
00:28:07.039 --> 00:28:09.640
behind them to seal that off in order for the

568
00:28:09.640 --> 00:28:12.559
next compartment not to fill with water. We see crew

569
00:28:12.559 --> 00:28:16.880
members die at Harris manages to get out, but then, oh,

570
00:28:17.039 --> 00:28:19.480
what happens is one of the doors I think because

571
00:28:19.519 --> 00:28:22.400
it automatically starts closing, he sticks his hand in there

572
00:28:22.440 --> 00:28:28.039
in his ring prevents it from closing because the ring. Yes, yes,

573
00:28:28.200 --> 00:28:30.880
that's a great moment. So the ring actually saves him,

574
00:28:30.920 --> 00:28:33.440
which he almost had thrown out and seen earlier down

575
00:28:33.440 --> 00:28:36.000
the toilet. I like that moment he gets out and

576
00:28:36.039 --> 00:28:38.759
he kisses the ring like, Oh my god, it's super

577
00:28:39.480 --> 00:28:40.279
super intense.

578
00:28:40.599 --> 00:28:42.920
Oh yeah, that is fun. All right. Let us we

579
00:28:42.960 --> 00:28:45.119
have for favorite scenes next.

580
00:28:45.200 --> 00:28:47.519
I have the water Tentacle visit. This is the iconic

581
00:28:47.559 --> 00:28:49.920
scene we all know it. I won't go into too

582
00:28:50.000 --> 00:28:53.039
much detail. I just love again sound design the deep Core.

583
00:28:53.359 --> 00:28:56.240
The platform is entirely quiet. You get the sense it's night.

584
00:28:56.279 --> 00:28:58.839
You can't really tell under water, but it's Everyone is asleep,

585
00:28:58.880 --> 00:29:03.119
trying to get some rest, and we see the POV

586
00:29:03.599 --> 00:29:08.720
of something moving through the hallways of the deep Core platform,

587
00:29:08.960 --> 00:29:12.000
and then we start to see that it is a

588
00:29:12.119 --> 00:29:15.440
water tentacle. It literally looks like a tentacle, but just

589
00:29:15.559 --> 00:29:18.920
made of water, made of seawater. And at one point

590
00:29:18.960 --> 00:29:21.400
it actually opens the hatch door, which I don't know

591
00:29:21.440 --> 00:29:24.799
how it does, but comes into the compartment where Mary,

592
00:29:24.799 --> 00:29:28.920
Elizabeth Masmtonio Ned Harris that's Lindsey and Bud Brigman are sleeping,

593
00:29:28.960 --> 00:29:32.160
and they awaken and are obviously freaked out to see

594
00:29:32.160 --> 00:29:37.039
this alien water tentacle life form approaching them. And then

595
00:29:37.079 --> 00:29:40.519
it pauses and it imitates them. It mimics their face

596
00:29:41.079 --> 00:29:45.279
and their facial movements, smiling and such, and it's just like,

597
00:29:45.319 --> 00:29:47.480
how do they do that? How'd they do that? I

598
00:29:47.519 --> 00:29:51.000
appreciate the performances from Masimontonia Net Harris because of their

599
00:29:51.400 --> 00:29:53.960
just shock in awe, as well as the supporting cast

600
00:29:54.000 --> 00:29:57.400
when the others wake up as well. But it's just

601
00:29:57.519 --> 00:30:00.480
cool to watch the water move through the always through

602
00:30:00.480 --> 00:30:03.839
the compartments, and then even when Michael Bean is the

603
00:30:03.880 --> 00:30:08.799
asshole Navy seal lieutenant freaks out thinking it's the enemy

604
00:30:09.039 --> 00:30:14.200
somehow or a Russian tech invader, he closes one of

605
00:30:14.200 --> 00:30:16.920
the hatch doors, chopping the water in half. In the

606
00:30:16.920 --> 00:30:21.279
water just then falls. A great scene. It's just all

607
00:30:21.319 --> 00:30:24.359
special effects and it still holds up today. It feels real.

608
00:30:24.440 --> 00:30:27.240
It just looks cool, especially the reflections off the water

609
00:30:27.759 --> 00:30:29.960
of the walls and then the people, and it's like,

610
00:30:30.000 --> 00:30:32.480
how the hell did they do that? So it changed everything.

611
00:30:32.799 --> 00:30:36.480
Yeah, it's a really fun scene and very groundbreaking. So

612
00:30:36.559 --> 00:30:39.839
another favorite scene and probably one of the most memorable

613
00:30:39.880 --> 00:30:43.519
scenes of the movie is the Lindsay drowning scene. Yeah,

614
00:30:43.799 --> 00:30:47.079
even today watching it, it still gives me a little

615
00:30:47.079 --> 00:30:50.839
bit of anxiety because Bud and Lindsay had to give

616
00:30:50.960 --> 00:30:54.599
chase to Michael Bean's character because he's going to drop

617
00:30:54.680 --> 00:30:58.599
a nuclear bomb. On the ntis the aliens that they

618
00:30:58.680 --> 00:31:02.680
discover trying to stop him from making it happen, but

619
00:31:02.960 --> 00:31:06.559
unfortunately the submersi wilder in has sprung a leak that

620
00:31:06.599 --> 00:31:09.240
they cannot stop and they only have one diving suit,

621
00:31:09.559 --> 00:31:13.079
and Lindsey comes up with the plan, which unfortunately does

622
00:31:13.160 --> 00:31:16.279
make sense, is that she'd have to drown. The water's

623
00:31:16.359 --> 00:31:19.000
cold enough to take her back to deep pore and

624
00:31:19.200 --> 00:31:21.400
they should be able to revive her. Because but it's

625
00:31:21.440 --> 00:31:24.880
a pretty good swimmer, and just that whole scene with

626
00:31:24.960 --> 00:31:28.759
them sitting in the sub waiting for it to fill.

627
00:31:29.880 --> 00:31:31.799
I don't know if I could do that. I don't

628
00:31:31.799 --> 00:31:33.599
think I could do it worst night man. But it

629
00:31:33.640 --> 00:31:35.200
makes sense because people are like, well, don't they just

630
00:31:35.240 --> 00:31:38.440
start swimming. I'm like no, because she'd start panicking and

631
00:31:38.519 --> 00:31:40.799
he could possibly drop her swimming back, so they have

632
00:31:40.920 --> 00:31:43.359
to let it happen. Yeah, it's a powerful scene from her.

633
00:31:43.400 --> 00:31:46.680
She does great in it. It stresses me out, even

634
00:31:46.720 --> 00:31:48.880
though I know she's going to come back to the end.

635
00:31:49.160 --> 00:31:52.440
It's stressful. It really works. And here they are in

636
00:31:52.440 --> 00:31:54.519
this freezing cold water and he's like, he's telling her

637
00:31:54.559 --> 00:31:57.319
to think of something. He's like, I'm gonna have to drown.

638
00:31:57.720 --> 00:32:00.559
They don't have any better options. But luckily it works.

639
00:32:01.000 --> 00:32:04.400
It's awful and it's amazing, and the performances are brilliant,

640
00:32:04.920 --> 00:32:10.359
and it's so heart pounding and stressful, and it's literally heartbreaking.

641
00:32:10.480 --> 00:32:13.559
I got very emotional throughout this entire sequence. Even though

642
00:32:13.559 --> 00:32:16.200
I knew it was coming, I forgot about the scene

643
00:32:16.279 --> 00:32:19.519
you just described so well happening within the submersible. I'm

644
00:32:19.519 --> 00:32:21.039
going to take it a step back and just mention

645
00:32:21.480 --> 00:32:23.920
there's like that whole scene when they are chasing or

646
00:32:23.920 --> 00:32:27.359
being chased by Lieutenant Coffee, that's Michael Bean's character and

647
00:32:27.400 --> 00:32:30.279
the other submersible. It's like demolition submersibles, but they get

648
00:32:30.279 --> 00:32:32.359
the best of Michael Bean. And there's a great moment

649
00:32:32.440 --> 00:32:36.759
when he loses power and his submersible starts falling through

650
00:32:36.920 --> 00:32:39.559
and deeper deeper into the ocean, and of course it

651
00:32:39.839 --> 00:32:43.440
comes to the pressure and he implodes. It's just like

652
00:32:43.480 --> 00:32:46.519
a great moment when he sees it coming, the glasses

653
00:32:46.599 --> 00:32:47.960
cracking and he just goes.

654
00:32:49.559 --> 00:32:52.599
That scene was kind of rough to watch, also, especially

655
00:32:52.680 --> 00:32:55.200
what happened with the Titan a couple of years ago, correct,

656
00:32:55.240 --> 00:32:57.160
and like, oh my god, that's what happened to those people.

657
00:32:57.720 --> 00:32:58.160
Mm hmm.

658
00:32:58.359 --> 00:33:01.920
Hopefully it was quick, yeah, because that and that implosion

659
00:33:02.160 --> 00:33:05.720
is it's hardcore. So and then, of course, like you said,

660
00:33:06.200 --> 00:33:09.440
Bud and Lindsay aboard the other submersible they're taking out water.

661
00:33:09.480 --> 00:33:12.960
But the fact that the water's rising and they're trying

662
00:33:13.000 --> 00:33:15.599
to come up with ideas of how we got to think,

663
00:33:15.720 --> 00:33:19.039
think we can figure this out. But she's like, no,

664
00:33:19.119 --> 00:33:22.359
I have to. I can go into deep hypothermia. You

665
00:33:22.400 --> 00:33:24.559
can bring me back, you can bring me back. And

666
00:33:24.599 --> 00:33:27.240
it's so heartbreaking because you know, they love one another,

667
00:33:27.400 --> 00:33:31.119
so I mean their still husband and wife, and they've

668
00:33:31.160 --> 00:33:33.559
gone through so much throughout the film up to this

669
00:33:33.680 --> 00:33:37.880
point that when she's saying, he's like, no, no, there's

670
00:33:37.920 --> 00:33:40.119
got to be another way, and she's like, there is

671
00:33:40.160 --> 00:33:43.240
no other way. Then he actually puts the helmet on

672
00:33:43.720 --> 00:33:46.359
and is underneath the water and she's barely breathing, and

673
00:33:46.400 --> 00:33:49.559
then she gets scared. She's so strong and brave throughout

674
00:33:49.559 --> 00:33:52.039
the entire thing, but the water finally gets to where

675
00:33:52.039 --> 00:33:54.119
she or she's almost underwater, and you can see how

676
00:33:54.160 --> 00:33:56.680
scared she is, as any normal human being would be.

677
00:33:57.240 --> 00:34:00.720
And then she goes under and drowns and he's just

678
00:34:00.799 --> 00:34:04.480
like no, and it's just like what, It's awful, and

679
00:34:04.519 --> 00:34:06.839
then he has to tow her back to deep Core,

680
00:34:07.240 --> 00:34:10.239
and so I'll just touch on this this entire scene.

681
00:34:10.239 --> 00:34:13.400
At the end, they bring her back aboard through the

682
00:34:13.440 --> 00:34:17.400
moon pool, on board the deep core platform and he's

683
00:34:17.800 --> 00:34:25.000
performing CPR and then they have the fibrulators and it's

684
00:34:25.039 --> 00:34:29.920
so into. Ed Harris is amazing in this scene because

685
00:34:30.039 --> 00:34:32.239
it is relentless. He's just trying to bring her back

686
00:34:32.239 --> 00:34:34.800
to life and there's just no signs of life coming

687
00:34:34.800 --> 00:34:39.079
from her and it's the charging, charging clear that hole.

688
00:34:39.480 --> 00:34:42.239
We go through that process. The whole crew is huddled

689
00:34:42.239 --> 00:34:46.159
around them. She's not coming back and he won't give up.

690
00:34:46.559 --> 00:34:50.559
And at one point they're like there's no response, give up,

691
00:34:51.239 --> 00:34:55.320
and there's a real long pause, and then Ed Harris

692
00:34:55.360 --> 00:34:57.800
is like, no, she wants to live. And he pushes

693
00:34:57.840 --> 00:35:00.360
them back and he's like, let's zapp her again, and

694
00:35:00.400 --> 00:35:02.079
he yells at her, goddamn it, you bitch. You've never

695
00:35:02.119 --> 00:35:04.360
backed away from anything in your life. Now fight, and

696
00:35:04.400 --> 00:35:08.039
he actually slaps her and he keeps yelling fight, fight

697
00:35:08.159 --> 00:35:10.719
right now, do it, fight, goddamn it, fight, fight, fight,

698
00:35:10.920 --> 00:35:14.480
and it's just I love it. I got teary eyed,

699
00:35:15.079 --> 00:35:18.320
And of course she does then come back, she has revived,

700
00:35:18.639 --> 00:35:21.519
and it's pretty incredible. So I love. Yeah.

701
00:35:21.599 --> 00:35:24.119
What I would say about the Vibe scene is I

702
00:35:24.159 --> 00:35:27.639
don't like the fact that he slaps her. And I'm

703
00:35:27.679 --> 00:35:30.079
sure any EMT would tell you the rest of the

704
00:35:30.119 --> 00:35:32.639
crew wouldn't be given up that early. I unfortunately, was

705
00:35:32.679 --> 00:35:35.079
a witness to a woman who had a heart attack

706
00:35:35.199 --> 00:35:38.280
and the EMTs came out to revive her forty minutes

707
00:35:38.920 --> 00:35:41.159
she was probably dead, but forty minutes they just kept

708
00:35:41.159 --> 00:35:42.880
doing whatever they could to try to bring her back.

709
00:35:43.159 --> 00:35:45.440
And then we're like, all right, that's it. Oh yeah.

710
00:35:45.440 --> 00:35:47.719
They brought out some machine that was literally like forty

711
00:35:47.760 --> 00:35:50.199
minutes punching into her chest to try to get it

712
00:35:50.239 --> 00:35:52.639
to work, and she was just lying her the whole time,

713
00:35:52.679 --> 00:35:54.639
and I'm like, oh my god, this is awful. So

714
00:35:54.679 --> 00:35:57.119
the five minutes they were working on Lindsey, I'm like, nope.

715
00:35:57.199 --> 00:35:59.400
So you're saying, for realism's sake, we should have it

716
00:35:59.440 --> 00:36:01.599
should have been a forty minutes. Well, I don't think

717
00:36:01.679 --> 00:36:04.519
they would have just right, I know, but I don't

718
00:36:04.519 --> 00:36:06.760
think they would have really given up as early as

719
00:36:06.800 --> 00:36:08.960
they did. Maybe he's just getting more frustrated.

720
00:36:09.239 --> 00:36:11.599
Yeah, but although to me it feels like it does

721
00:36:11.639 --> 00:36:14.119
feel like a long time, even though you are absolutely

722
00:36:14.119 --> 00:36:17.079
correct it's technically not. You just wanted to come back

723
00:36:17.119 --> 00:36:17.800
to life already.

724
00:36:17.960 --> 00:36:19.960
Yeah, I don't think really the rest of the crew

725
00:36:19.960 --> 00:36:22.079
would have been like, oh, it's over, Bud. They would

726
00:36:22.079 --> 00:36:23.480
have kept working on her. Yeah.

727
00:36:23.639 --> 00:36:26.760
Yeah, well I thought I found it very emotional.

728
00:36:27.159 --> 00:36:29.079
Gotcha anything else?

729
00:36:29.519 --> 00:36:30.400
No, that's it for me.

730
00:36:30.639 --> 00:36:32.280
Oh yeah. The last thing I have is just the

731
00:36:32.719 --> 00:36:35.679
scene of Bud dropping down to the warhead and yeah,

732
00:36:35.760 --> 00:36:39.880
of course, going and going and going and going down,

733
00:36:39.960 --> 00:36:43.320
and then trying to communicate because he's using that flora car.

734
00:36:43.400 --> 00:36:44.880
I don't even I can't even say that word.

735
00:36:45.159 --> 00:36:50.760
Oxygenated floral carbon emulsion. Yes, it's the fluid breathing system.

736
00:36:51.079 --> 00:36:53.639
Yeah, so he has that so he can't speak and

737
00:36:53.639 --> 00:36:56.400
he has to type everything out because he's going so deep.

738
00:36:56.440 --> 00:36:58.960
But just the pressure and everyone's trying to talk to

739
00:36:59.000 --> 00:37:03.119
him and he's trying to type. And it's how we

740
00:37:03.199 --> 00:37:05.320
have the courage to do something like that. I mean,

741
00:37:05.320 --> 00:37:07.159
it's a movie, but I mean it would have to

742
00:37:07.159 --> 00:37:09.679
be done because they would all die it's Flash Gordon.

743
00:37:09.840 --> 00:37:13.760
It's one life, one life for tens, well, no, maybe hundreds.

744
00:37:13.800 --> 00:37:15.519
We don't know how many of those alien creatures they are.

745
00:37:15.639 --> 00:37:19.239
But he's making the ultimate sacrifice. And just watch him

746
00:37:19.280 --> 00:37:22.199
just go down, down, down, because it's probably a sixteen

747
00:37:22.199 --> 00:37:24.559
foot wall that we see in pass like twelve times.

748
00:37:24.920 --> 00:37:27.360
But it's still for me intense.

749
00:37:27.639 --> 00:37:32.000
It is incredibly intense. It's something I always look forward

750
00:37:32.039 --> 00:37:35.400
to watching in this movie because the science fiction of

751
00:37:35.440 --> 00:37:40.119
it all. He's taking in that breathing fluid and then adjusts.

752
00:37:40.280 --> 00:37:43.320
But it's smart filmmaking because of all the devices at

753
00:37:43.320 --> 00:37:48.800
play that they're really the time constraint, the typing instead

754
00:37:48.840 --> 00:37:52.000
of speaking, and because then he's getting colder and he's

755
00:37:52.000 --> 00:37:57.920
succumbing to the nervous disorder and the typing becomes incomprehensible,

756
00:37:58.119 --> 00:38:02.320
and it is one of the like the worst fear realized.

757
00:38:02.760 --> 00:38:05.960
You're just going to sink in blackness and darkness in

758
00:38:06.000 --> 00:38:10.840
the ocean for how many feet miles whatever. It's the

759
00:38:10.880 --> 00:38:11.599
scariest thing.

760
00:38:11.519 --> 00:38:13.840
Ever with hoping you will get to where you need

761
00:38:13.880 --> 00:38:16.320
to go. Yeah, because big Geek's supposed to lead him

762
00:38:16.320 --> 00:38:18.480
down to where the warhead is or little Geek is

763
00:38:18.480 --> 00:38:21.039
supposed to lead him down, correct, but then little Geek

764
00:38:21.079 --> 00:38:23.480
craps out and now now it's a crapshoot. They're going

765
00:38:23.559 --> 00:38:23.960
to find it.

766
00:38:24.239 --> 00:38:29.519
Yeah, so many issues with that, but creates incredible tension

767
00:38:29.760 --> 00:38:33.559
and it's great because they're on board the deep Court

768
00:38:33.679 --> 00:38:36.679
speaking with him, and the dialogue is altered, like they're

769
00:38:36.760 --> 00:38:39.719
talking into the microphone so he can hear them, but

770
00:38:39.840 --> 00:38:42.920
he's just you know, responding by typing. All those little

771
00:38:42.920 --> 00:38:45.679
things just build it all and it's great. And obviously

772
00:38:45.800 --> 00:38:48.840
when he starts losing it as the deeper he goes

773
00:38:48.920 --> 00:38:53.079
and then Masimtonio is getting emotional and telling him to fight,

774
00:38:53.599 --> 00:38:56.559
it all works. It works great. Smart, it's really.

775
00:38:56.440 --> 00:38:59.199
Smart, right, and then they all think it's worse than

776
00:38:59.280 --> 00:39:02.119
it is because it's like I see light down here, like,

777
00:39:02.159 --> 00:39:04.360
oh no, it's really affecting them, but no, there's really

778
00:39:04.400 --> 00:39:04.960
light down there.

779
00:39:05.519 --> 00:39:07.599
That's actual light. It's a great moment.

780
00:39:07.920 --> 00:39:14.159
Yeah, Okay, trying to move on to Swiss Cheese and

781
00:39:14.239 --> 00:39:16.800
complaint Department and why do we call it Swiss.

782
00:39:16.599 --> 00:39:20.239
Cheese Because although this movie is delicious, it does have

783
00:39:20.360 --> 00:39:22.119
pressure hull breach holes.

784
00:39:22.719 --> 00:39:25.760
Yes, if it doesn't have those pressure whole breach holes.

785
00:39:26.000 --> 00:39:28.639
We follow a complaint with the complaint department. So, Jason,

786
00:39:28.679 --> 00:39:29.800
what do you have for complaints for this?

787
00:39:30.280 --> 00:39:33.599
I had an issue here with the fact that Michael

788
00:39:33.599 --> 00:39:38.159
Bean has Lieutenant Coffee. He's obviously sick with the pressure

789
00:39:38.199 --> 00:39:43.400
induced psychosis, obviously, so why does his second in command

790
00:39:43.559 --> 00:39:46.239
still follow him for so long? I just wish it

791
00:39:46.400 --> 00:39:49.199
wasn't so obvious from the get.

792
00:39:49.119 --> 00:39:51.280
I had the same thing. He never would have got

793
00:39:51.280 --> 00:39:53.880
that far with this plan. Someone would have stopped him, Like, dude,

794
00:39:54.079 --> 00:39:54.679
there's something.

795
00:39:54.599 --> 00:39:59.119
Absolutely Yeah, clearly, I think that's a direction and or

796
00:39:59.199 --> 00:40:02.119
writing issue I have there, because it's one thing to

797
00:40:02.119 --> 00:40:04.800
see Michael Bean with his shaky hand at the beginning,

798
00:40:04.840 --> 00:40:07.199
You're like, oh shit, we know he's going to succumb,

799
00:40:07.639 --> 00:40:10.599
but gets quick and all of a sudden he's showing

800
00:40:10.800 --> 00:40:13.800
very visible signs, And if you're a second command, you'd

801
00:40:13.840 --> 00:40:16.719
be like, uh uh, you are not in the right

802
00:40:16.760 --> 00:40:21.119
mind to make any of these decisions. You're done, You're sidelined.

803
00:40:21.360 --> 00:40:24.280
That's it, right. Yeah, maybe it would have been better

804
00:40:24.360 --> 00:40:26.840
if they somehow locked him up, but he somehow still

805
00:40:26.960 --> 00:40:30.559
escapes and great great things. Following through is the right

806
00:40:30.599 --> 00:40:33.880
thing because of how he's affected. Yeah, but it's like,

807
00:40:33.880 --> 00:40:36.400
how can you be following these orders when it's obvious

808
00:40:36.840 --> 00:40:38.119
there's something wrong with them.

809
00:40:38.559 --> 00:40:41.360
It was a little weird. Remember I had mentioned earlier

810
00:40:41.440 --> 00:40:45.559
that there's a great scene between being in Mastonia and

811
00:40:45.639 --> 00:40:48.559
he's trying to keep his cool but he's sweating bullets

812
00:40:49.159 --> 00:40:52.039
and he's shaky as all hell. And then when they

813
00:40:52.199 --> 00:40:56.800
leave the compartment, Lindsay is like, wait, what he's showing

814
00:40:56.840 --> 00:40:59.760
signs of the sickness, Like, come on, you would know

815
00:41:00.599 --> 00:41:02.639
she should know better than Yeah. Right, she was the

816
00:41:02.679 --> 00:41:04.440
one that explained it to them in the beginning.

817
00:41:06.320 --> 00:41:09.519
I have the characters spend way too much time in

818
00:41:09.519 --> 00:41:12.000
the freezing water. I mean, you heard that a fight

819
00:41:12.119 --> 00:41:16.000
seeing off Coffee and Bud and Cat, and the amount

820
00:41:16.000 --> 00:41:18.960
of time that they're in that water and they're always

821
00:41:19.000 --> 00:41:22.559
jumping into the pool. I'm like, they'd all have hypotheramia

822
00:41:22.599 --> 00:41:23.159
by now.

823
00:41:23.320 --> 00:41:25.800
One thousand percent. I think about it all the time.

824
00:41:25.920 --> 00:41:28.960
I'm watching it, Like, you do you know how freaking

825
00:41:29.039 --> 00:41:29.719
cold that is?

826
00:41:30.199 --> 00:41:30.440
Yeah?

827
00:41:31.000 --> 00:41:35.280
Beyond cold, it's literally freezing. So yeah. I like the

828
00:41:35.320 --> 00:41:38.559
performances when Budden has to swim from one hatch to

829
00:41:38.559 --> 00:41:41.199
the only comes up through the moon pole and the

830
00:41:41.239 --> 00:41:44.159
moon pool and is trying to be quiet as to

831
00:41:44.199 --> 00:41:47.199
not alert Coffee to his presence. But and he's like

832
00:41:47.719 --> 00:41:51.760
he's shivering and he's just barely he's just his muscles

833
00:41:51.760 --> 00:41:53.920
have to be so tense and he's literally frozen.

834
00:41:53.960 --> 00:41:57.519
So that worked. That's more a little more realism there.

835
00:41:58.079 --> 00:42:00.119
But the rest of the time, they're just like going

836
00:42:00.199 --> 00:42:02.719
for it. Yeah, they have no problem jumping into I'm like,

837
00:42:02.880 --> 00:42:06.840
no way that the water is like seventy degrees of

838
00:42:06.880 --> 00:42:09.199
the ocean. It takes me five minutes to get in.

839
00:42:09.519 --> 00:42:11.719
I'm not jumping twenty something.

840
00:42:12.519 --> 00:42:15.039
Yeah, I'm glad you brought that up, because now I

841
00:42:15.119 --> 00:42:18.440
had a couple issues with this particular scene because at

842
00:42:18.440 --> 00:42:21.320
this point in the movie, Lieutenant Coffee has locked himself

843
00:42:21.400 --> 00:42:26.400
in the moon pool compartment room and he is pulling

844
00:42:26.440 --> 00:42:30.840
this chain and he's very much going through this internal struggle.

845
00:42:30.880 --> 00:42:33.679
It seems he's trying to figure out what the right

846
00:42:33.719 --> 00:42:35.679
thing to do is or whatever the plan is going

847
00:42:35.719 --> 00:42:38.440
to be. And he's yanking on this chain and you

848
00:42:38.480 --> 00:42:41.719
hear the great noise of the chain links going through

849
00:42:41.880 --> 00:42:45.000
like a pulley thing. Anyway, we know that he has

850
00:42:45.159 --> 00:42:49.559
big geek strapped with the nuclear warhead, which he is

851
00:42:49.599 --> 00:42:53.280
going to then submerse and send down to the Ntis

852
00:42:53.360 --> 00:42:56.079
to blow them up. But he's not doing it. He's

853
00:42:56.119 --> 00:43:00.639
literally just sitting there and the flatbed submersible is prepped

854
00:43:01.119 --> 00:43:03.960
with Big Geek in the warhead, but he hasn't sent

855
00:43:04.000 --> 00:43:06.800
it down yet. He's just sitting there. He pulling on

856
00:43:06.880 --> 00:43:10.840
this chain very kind of psychotically and methodically, and just

857
00:43:10.920 --> 00:43:13.599
he's out of his mind. But then of course Bud

858
00:43:13.920 --> 00:43:19.920
and Kat attack him, and also a couple things. Bud

859
00:43:20.239 --> 00:43:23.320
at Harris, he goes for Lieutenant Coffee's gun, which I

860
00:43:23.440 --> 00:43:26.480
really is the dumbest thing he could do. Yes, if

861
00:43:26.519 --> 00:43:28.760
he isn't alerted to your presence, just go open the door.

862
00:43:29.159 --> 00:43:31.719
Just open the door or take the tie off the door.

863
00:43:31.760 --> 00:43:35.159
At least you have such a much better chance doing that.

864
00:43:35.639 --> 00:43:39.400
And then obviously Bud and Kat now are they attack

865
00:43:39.639 --> 00:43:43.159
Coffee and that sets Coffee off, and then he gets

866
00:43:43.199 --> 00:43:46.000
into the submersible and the chase begins. He goes down

867
00:43:46.039 --> 00:43:48.880
with Big Geek in the warhead, and I'm like, what

868
00:43:49.039 --> 00:43:53.800
if they hadn't attacked him, it's their fault that he

869
00:43:53.880 --> 00:43:56.320
took off. He wasn't good, he wasn't leaving. He wasn't

870
00:43:56.320 --> 00:44:00.679
doing anything, which is weird. But he's just being crazy

871
00:44:00.800 --> 00:44:04.000
sitting off to the side. So I think it's button

872
00:44:04.079 --> 00:44:06.920
Cat's fault that that all happened.

873
00:44:07.159 --> 00:44:13.639
Right, Okay, yeah, yeah, maybe it's possible. So the last

874
00:44:13.639 --> 00:44:17.880
shot of the Aliens, the closing, when the Alien city

875
00:44:17.920 --> 00:44:20.719
comes up, Yeah, that does not work at all.

876
00:44:22.000 --> 00:44:24.519
The word I used right before we got on to

877
00:44:24.599 --> 00:44:26.679
record when I was thinking about that because I wanted

878
00:44:26.679 --> 00:44:30.000
to ask you how you felt about the finale was hokey.

879
00:44:31.039 --> 00:44:36.920
It's a bit hokey for me. It just looks a

880
00:44:36.960 --> 00:44:41.360
little silly. I don't know. If it's the design of

881
00:44:41.480 --> 00:44:45.039
the alien city ship whatever rises to the surface and

882
00:44:45.079 --> 00:44:47.360
then we're supposed to believe that they didn't have to

883
00:44:47.360 --> 00:44:50.719
go through decompression because it's alien technology whatnot. That's fine,

884
00:44:51.559 --> 00:44:55.480
but it just feels like it's way too much and

885
00:44:55.519 --> 00:44:58.000
it's just kind of gaudy and weird looking and not

886
00:44:59.280 --> 00:45:02.920
it happens so quickly too. Maybe I don't know. I wasn't.

887
00:45:04.280 --> 00:45:05.400
I wasn't sold on it.

888
00:45:05.320 --> 00:45:08.679
Either, No, because the whole thing is we have Lindsay

889
00:45:08.679 --> 00:45:13.840
early on talk about how everything feels so organic, unman made,

890
00:45:14.480 --> 00:45:18.239
and then when this floating city comes up. Yeah, it

891
00:45:18.280 --> 00:45:22.000
looks like a prop made of metal or something. Yeah,

892
00:45:22.159 --> 00:45:25.079
that's the exact opposite of what we were led to believe.

893
00:45:25.239 --> 00:45:26.480
It just didn't look well at all.

894
00:45:27.000 --> 00:45:30.199
It's interesting because you make a great point. There's so

895
00:45:30.280 --> 00:45:34.119
much detail in all aspects of the sets throughout this film,

896
00:45:34.159 --> 00:45:35.960
and then you get to the finale and this giant

897
00:45:35.960 --> 00:45:37.639
thing where you feel like it's going to look like

898
00:45:37.960 --> 00:45:40.119
the giant ship from the end of Close Encounters, right

899
00:45:40.599 --> 00:45:43.039
where versus in this case, it's just kind of this

900
00:45:43.320 --> 00:45:48.320
very glossy, purplish behemoth entity thing, and it's like, oh, okay,

901
00:45:49.079 --> 00:45:50.519
it's not impressive, it's just.

902
00:45:50.559 --> 00:45:53.960
Yeah, it's like someone built this shiny metal thing and

903
00:45:54.000 --> 00:45:58.480
then splattered peptobismol over it.

904
00:45:58.719 --> 00:46:03.119
Yes, that's great. Yeah. The only other thing I was

905
00:46:03.159 --> 00:46:04.559
going to say is when you were talking about your

906
00:46:04.599 --> 00:46:08.039
last favorite scene, which is fantastic with Bud making his

907
00:46:08.119 --> 00:46:10.960
descent and then of course the power goes, lights go out.

908
00:46:11.480 --> 00:46:13.800
I think it's pretty damn lucky that he ends up

909
00:46:13.880 --> 00:46:17.000
landing right next to Big Geek where Big Geek had

910
00:46:17.079 --> 00:46:20.199
landed with the warhead. Oh yeah, I mean he lands

911
00:46:20.280 --> 00:46:25.199
directly next to like he's in he's falling through the

912
00:46:25.239 --> 00:46:29.280
ocean in the dark, with no guidance whatsoever, and he

913
00:46:29.400 --> 00:46:32.639
just happens to fall directly onto the ledge where big

914
00:46:32.639 --> 00:46:33.440
Geek is resting.

915
00:46:33.840 --> 00:46:36.239
I would say little Geek maybe got him eighty percent

916
00:46:36.239 --> 00:46:38.119
of the way. So as as I hit the wall,

917
00:46:38.920 --> 00:46:41.000
I will give you that. I will give you that.

918
00:46:41.159 --> 00:46:44.400
But it still was like, no, it's it's needle and

919
00:46:44.400 --> 00:46:44.960
a haystack.

920
00:46:45.840 --> 00:46:46.880
All right, that's all I got.

921
00:46:47.559 --> 00:46:50.199
Okay, time to move on to Hey, it's that actor.

922
00:46:50.760 --> 00:46:53.599
All right, So this segment with spotlight a character actor

923
00:46:53.639 --> 00:46:55.639
you have seen in many other films, an actor making

924
00:46:55.719 --> 00:46:58.000
their big screen debut, or an actor that makes an

925
00:46:58.079 --> 00:47:02.159
uncredited cameo. Hey, it's actor, who do we choose this week?

926
00:47:02.639 --> 00:47:05.079
This week we've chosen for our Hey, it's that actor

927
00:47:05.559 --> 00:47:10.280
Brad Sullivan. Brad Sullivan, he is in the opening sequence

928
00:47:10.400 --> 00:47:13.519
only in this film because he is aboard the USS Montana,

929
00:47:13.880 --> 00:47:18.320
which of course meets its demise and crashes and everyone

930
00:47:18.360 --> 00:47:21.960
aboard drowns. But he, I think, is credited as executive.

931
00:47:22.519 --> 00:47:25.119
He's one of the main, like one of the officers

932
00:47:25.159 --> 00:47:28.719
aboard this sub and the sonars going off and they

933
00:47:28.719 --> 00:47:31.760
think a Russian sub is either approaching or about to attack,

934
00:47:31.800 --> 00:47:35.280
but it's really the aliens that are traveling at supersonic

935
00:47:35.320 --> 00:47:39.400
speeds all around them. Anyway, he's in that scene very recognizable.

936
00:47:39.679 --> 00:47:43.559
Brad Sullivan is a Chicago born actor and Korean War veteran.

937
00:47:44.039 --> 00:47:47.599
He grew up in Massachusetts. Is known as a reliable

938
00:47:47.639 --> 00:47:51.559
player of stoic military types on stage, and he was

939
00:47:51.639 --> 00:47:55.760
best remembered for his despicable bad guy roles on film.

940
00:47:56.199 --> 00:47:59.880
Here is a little bit of his filmography Snapshot. He

941
00:48:00.239 --> 00:48:03.199
was in The Sting. He played the role of cole

942
00:48:03.320 --> 00:48:05.239
and that's from nineteen seventy three. And the Sting, of

943
00:48:05.280 --> 00:48:08.480
course was directed by George roy Hill and that'll come

944
00:48:08.519 --> 00:48:14.239
back later. He's also the character Wanchuck in Slapshot in

945
00:48:14.360 --> 00:48:16.760
nineteen seventy seven. But let's move on to the eighties.

946
00:48:17.079 --> 00:48:19.239
He does both films and TV movies in a bunch

947
00:48:19.280 --> 00:48:22.159
of TV series. He was in The Island in eighty

948
00:48:22.239 --> 00:48:24.360
and then Ghost Story in eighty one, Cold River in

949
00:48:24.400 --> 00:48:27.840
eighty two, and yes, he was in an episode of

950
00:48:27.920 --> 00:48:31.840
Miami Vice plays the role of Jack Coleman in season three,

951
00:48:32.000 --> 00:48:36.159
episode fifteen, Duty and Honor, and that was in nineteen

952
00:48:36.199 --> 00:48:39.000
eighty seven. Then He's in a couple of other things

953
00:48:39.039 --> 00:48:40.480
here in eighty seven. You may have heard of these

954
00:48:40.519 --> 00:48:44.199
films Ten Men. Then he's in The Untouchables as the

955
00:48:44.239 --> 00:48:48.280
mobster George, and then of course he's in Funny Farm

956
00:48:48.480 --> 00:48:51.400
and Funny Farm in nineteen eighty eight was directed by

957
00:48:51.639 --> 00:48:54.000
George roy Hill. I said he was going to come back, right.

958
00:48:54.079 --> 00:48:55.639
He was also in Dead Bang in eighty nine, The

959
00:48:55.679 --> 00:48:57.920
Dream Team in eighty nine, and then this The Abyss

960
00:48:57.920 --> 00:49:00.360
and eighty nine as well into the nineties. One of

961
00:49:00.400 --> 00:49:03.559
his more memorable roles, even though I've not seen this film,

962
00:49:03.559 --> 00:49:05.440
but that's what all the research says is. He plays

963
00:49:05.480 --> 00:49:08.639
the role of Henry Wingo in the film The Princes

964
00:49:08.679 --> 00:49:12.320
of Tides, where I believe he's Nick Nolty's abusive father.

965
00:49:12.719 --> 00:49:16.599
Then he does sister act to the Jerky Boys Canadian Bacon.

966
00:49:16.639 --> 00:49:18.440
He was in twenty episodes of a TV series called

967
00:49:18.519 --> 00:49:21.119
Nothing Sacred where he plays the role of Father Leo.

968
00:49:21.559 --> 00:49:23.679
That was from ninety seven to ninety eight, and looks

969
00:49:23.719 --> 00:49:25.840
like he shut it down in or around the year

970
00:49:25.880 --> 00:49:29.320
two thousand and then sadly passed away in two thousand

971
00:49:29.320 --> 00:49:32.440
and eight at age seventy seven. So there you go.

972
00:49:32.599 --> 00:49:34.880
Great character actor Brad Sullivan.

973
00:49:35.159 --> 00:49:38.440
Brad Sullivan, love them and slapshot all right. Time to

974
00:49:38.480 --> 00:49:41.480
move on to facts and trivia. What are some facts

975
00:49:41.480 --> 00:49:44.679
in trivia we have about the Abyss? And there is

976
00:49:44.880 --> 00:49:47.800
a boat load, so it's kind of hard to narrow

977
00:49:47.840 --> 00:49:48.280
it down.

978
00:49:48.800 --> 00:49:53.199
Yeah, no kidding, Well, I'll start with this. HG. Wells

979
00:49:53.800 --> 00:49:56.360
was the first to introduce the notion of intelligent life

980
00:49:56.440 --> 00:49:58.800
in the deep ocean in his eighteen ninety seven short

981
00:49:58.840 --> 00:50:03.639
story in the Abyss. The idea for the Abyss came

982
00:50:03.840 --> 00:50:06.320
to James Cameron when, at age seventeen and in high school,

983
00:50:06.320 --> 00:50:08.679
he attended a science lecture about deep sea diving by

984
00:50:08.719 --> 00:50:12.840
a man, Francis J. Felechik, who was the first human

985
00:50:12.880 --> 00:50:16.400
to breathe liquid through his lungs in experiments conducted by

986
00:50:16.800 --> 00:50:21.599
Johannes A. Kilstra at Duke University. He subsequently wrote a

987
00:50:21.639 --> 00:50:24.400
short story that focused on a group of scientists in

988
00:50:24.440 --> 00:50:26.360
a laboratory at the bottom of the ocean.

989
00:50:26.719 --> 00:50:30.239
Before filming even started, the cast had to become fully

990
00:50:30.480 --> 00:50:35.000
certified divers, and not just basic certification either. They were

991
00:50:35.000 --> 00:50:38.280
put through a course that's normally reserved for diving instructors,

992
00:50:38.519 --> 00:50:41.039
and because so much of the movie was shot underwater,

993
00:50:41.159 --> 00:50:44.199
the actors had to go through decompression procedure every time

994
00:50:44.239 --> 00:50:47.360
they finished filming for the day. The physical toll was

995
00:50:47.480 --> 00:50:51.360
intense at Harris in particular, suffered onset injuries serious enough

996
00:50:51.360 --> 00:50:53.719
that he almost had a turn down future roles after

997
00:50:53.800 --> 00:50:57.320
production wrapped. And it wasn't just the actors. Some crew

998
00:50:57.320 --> 00:51:01.039
members spent nearly the entire day under wall for months

999
00:51:01.039 --> 00:51:05.360
on end, and the constant exposure to chlorine actually bleached

1000
00:51:05.440 --> 00:51:06.760
their hair completely white.

1001
00:51:07.159 --> 00:51:10.559
The breathing fluid used in the film actually exists, but

1002
00:51:10.679 --> 00:51:14.079
has only been thoroughly investigated in animals over the previous

1003
00:51:14.079 --> 00:51:17.559
twenty years. It has been tested on several animals who survived.

1004
00:51:17.880 --> 00:51:20.039
The rat shown in the film was actually breathing liquid

1005
00:51:20.039 --> 00:51:24.079
and survived unharmed. Production consulted with doctor Kilstra on the

1006
00:51:24.119 --> 00:51:26.440
proper use of the breathing fluid for the film, and

1007
00:51:26.639 --> 00:51:29.760
Harris did not actually breathe the fluid. He held his

1008
00:51:30.039 --> 00:51:33.119
breath inside a helmet full of liquid while being towed

1009
00:51:33.559 --> 00:51:37.280
thirty feet below the surface of a large tank. He

1010
00:51:37.320 --> 00:51:40.519
recalled that the worst moments were being towed with fluid

1011
00:51:40.599 --> 00:51:45.079
rushing up his nose and his eyes swelling up. Ooh yeah,

1012
00:51:45.079 --> 00:51:48.400
that sounds fun. Yeah it does. About forty percent of

1013
00:51:48.400 --> 00:51:51.360
the movie was actually shot underwater. To pull that off,

1014
00:51:51.440 --> 00:51:55.519
the filmmakers built two massive tanks inside an abandoned nuclear

1015
00:51:55.599 --> 00:51:59.280
power plant near Gaffney, South Carolina, and nothing about it

1016
00:51:59.320 --> 00:52:02.360
was easy. They had to invent new technology just to

1017
00:52:02.400 --> 00:52:05.480
film the underwater scenes properly. On the very first day,

1018
00:52:05.679 --> 00:52:08.239
the main tank sprang, The league forced in deduction to

1019
00:52:08.239 --> 00:52:11.440
shut down while damn repair experts were brought in. As

1020
00:52:11.480 --> 00:52:14.119
if that wasn't enough, a lightning storm later ripped apart

1021
00:52:14.199 --> 00:52:17.239
the tarp covering the tank, which meant the crew could

1022
00:52:17.320 --> 00:52:18.840
only shoot at night for the.

1023
00:52:18.760 --> 00:52:21.440
Rest of the schedule. I heard at one point they

1024
00:52:21.440 --> 00:52:23.679
put like little plastic balls on the top of the

1025
00:52:23.719 --> 00:52:27.320
tank right dark it out after the tarp incident.

1026
00:52:27.559 --> 00:52:32.639
To create the alien water tentacle, Cameron initially considered cell animation,

1027
00:52:32.840 --> 00:52:35.559
or a tentacle sculpted in clay and then animated via

1028
00:52:35.800 --> 00:52:40.039
stop motion techniques with water reflections projected onto it. Phil

1029
00:52:40.119 --> 00:52:45.280
Tippett suggested Cameron contact Industrial Light and Magic Yes IOLM.

1030
00:52:45.440 --> 00:52:48.480
The special visual effects work was divided up among seven

1031
00:52:48.599 --> 00:52:51.840
VFX divisions, with motion control work by dream Quest Images

1032
00:52:51.960 --> 00:52:56.280
and Computer Graphics and Opticles by ILM. ILM designed a

1033
00:52:56.320 --> 00:52:59.920
program to produce surface waves of differing sizes and kinetic

1034
00:53:00.000 --> 00:53:03.280
properties for the pseudopod. I guess that's what they're calling it.

1035
00:53:03.480 --> 00:53:07.119
The water Tentacle, which was referred to by ILM informally

1036
00:53:07.159 --> 00:53:10.559
as the water Weenie for the moment where it mimics

1037
00:53:10.639 --> 00:53:13.239
budd and Lindsay's faces. Ed Harris had eight of his

1038
00:53:13.320 --> 00:53:17.360
facial expression scanned, while twelve of Masterroumtonio's were scanned via

1039
00:53:17.440 --> 00:53:21.519
software used to create CGI sculptures. The set was photographed

1040
00:53:21.559 --> 00:53:25.639
from every angle and digitally recreated so that the pseudopod

1041
00:53:26.079 --> 00:53:29.800
could be accurately composited into the live action footage.

1042
00:53:30.159 --> 00:53:34.239
So during the rigorous and problematic shoot, the cast and

1043
00:53:34.280 --> 00:53:38.239
crew began calling the film by various derogatory names such

1044
00:53:38.280 --> 00:53:43.320
as Son of Abyss, the Abuse, and Life's Abyss and

1045
00:53:43.360 --> 00:53:46.000
then you die, Life's Abyss and.

1046
00:53:45.960 --> 00:53:49.519
Then you die. Those are great. I did laugh when

1047
00:53:49.559 --> 00:53:53.800
I read that. Lastly, I've got James Cameron's brother, Mike Cameron,

1048
00:53:54.199 --> 00:53:57.360
plays a dead crewman inside the sunken submarine from the

1049
00:53:57.440 --> 00:53:59.480
beginning of the movie. To accomplish this, he had to

1050
00:53:59.519 --> 00:54:02.320
hold his breath under twenty five feet of water while

1051
00:54:02.400 --> 00:54:05.920
also allowing a crab to crawl out of his mouth.

1052
00:54:06.280 --> 00:54:08.760
The shot took five takes, and Mike had to crush

1053
00:54:09.039 --> 00:54:12.239
the crab twice because Jim took too long to set

1054
00:54:12.280 --> 00:54:14.559
the lights. It's for those of you who haven't seen

1055
00:54:14.559 --> 00:54:17.239
it as a creepy moment where obviously it's Mike Cameron

1056
00:54:17.239 --> 00:54:19.159
playing the role, but it's supposed to be a dead

1057
00:54:19.199 --> 00:54:22.199
seaman and crew member of this sub and he's floating

1058
00:54:22.239 --> 00:54:24.239
in the water and you see crabs coming out of

1059
00:54:24.280 --> 00:54:25.519
his mouth. It's really gross.

1060
00:54:26.000 --> 00:54:29.199
Freaked out jammer, Oh yeah, freak me out too. Man,

1061
00:54:29.480 --> 00:54:31.360
as well as my brother and I get along. I

1062
00:54:31.400 --> 00:54:35.000
don't think we could ask one another to do that.

1063
00:54:35.000 --> 00:54:36.719
That might be asking a little too much.

1064
00:54:37.039 --> 00:54:39.000
Look, it's just it's a quick shot. You just got

1065
00:54:39.000 --> 00:54:40.760
to hold your breath under twenty five feet of water

1066
00:54:40.880 --> 00:54:42.599
and let this crab crawl out of your mouth. Cool

1067
00:54:42.599 --> 00:54:43.559
with that, let's go all right?

1068
00:54:43.599 --> 00:54:43.840
Action?

1069
00:54:44.280 --> 00:54:44.599
Yeah? What?

1070
00:54:44.679 --> 00:54:44.920
Wait?

1071
00:54:44.960 --> 00:54:45.119
What?

1072
00:54:46.719 --> 00:54:49.920
Okay? Moving on to box office, So The Abyss was

1073
00:54:49.960 --> 00:54:53.159
released on August ninth in fifteen hundred and thirty three

1074
00:54:53.159 --> 00:54:56.800
theaters with a production budget of roughly seventy million, one

1075
00:54:56.800 --> 00:54:59.400
of the highest of the late nineteen eighties. The Abyss

1076
00:54:59.400 --> 00:55:02.679
went on to grow approximately fifty four million in North

1077
00:55:02.719 --> 00:55:08.400
America and thirty five million internationally. Worldwide total near ninety million.

1078
00:55:08.559 --> 00:55:11.480
It opened number two at the box office, right behind Parenthood,

1079
00:55:11.800 --> 00:55:14.639
and would stay in the top ten for another six weeks.

1080
00:55:14.880 --> 00:55:17.639
The Abyss ended up being the twenty fourth highest grossing

1081
00:55:17.679 --> 00:55:21.119
movie in the United States. The movie ultimately recouped much

1082
00:55:21.119 --> 00:55:24.880
of its investment through home video and television licensing, transforming

1083
00:55:24.880 --> 00:55:28.000
it into a cult favorite. Moving on to reviews. When

1084
00:55:28.039 --> 00:55:30.119
growing up in the eighties, we'd watch at the movies

1085
00:55:30.119 --> 00:55:32.480
with Gene Cisco and Roger Ebert to hear their reviews

1086
00:55:32.519 --> 00:55:35.719
and watch clips of upcoming movies. Their review of The

1087
00:55:35.760 --> 00:55:40.880
Abyss was unanimous two thumbs up. Jeane enjoyed the underwater

1088
00:55:40.960 --> 00:55:44.159
adventure in action, but didn't care for the aliens subplot.

1089
00:55:44.480 --> 00:55:47.159
Roger really enjoyed the special effects and felt the movie

1090
00:55:47.280 --> 00:55:50.880
was quite convincing and fun. Overall, both agreed they weren't

1091
00:55:50.920 --> 00:55:54.480
too excited about the ending. No surprise there. Rotten Tomatoes

1092
00:55:54.480 --> 00:55:56.880
gives it a Tomato Beer score of seventy six percent,

1093
00:55:56.960 --> 00:55:59.719
with the Popcorn Meter score of eighty three percent, and

1094
00:55:59.760 --> 00:56:03.239
all so has an IMDb rating of seven point five.

1095
00:56:04.000 --> 00:56:07.000
So this takes us to additional thoughts and questions. We

1096
00:56:07.000 --> 00:56:09.960
have any additional thoughts and questions about the Abyss?

1097
00:56:10.199 --> 00:56:12.679
I don't have much here. Let's just go over the

1098
00:56:12.880 --> 00:56:14.719
sub movies that I can name off the top of

1099
00:56:14.760 --> 00:56:16.960
my head, which I named earlier. But do you have

1100
00:56:17.079 --> 00:56:20.199
a favorite overall? Would you go with the Hunt for

1101
00:56:20.280 --> 00:56:26.079
at October? Crimson Tide, The Abyss, Dust Boot? What's the menu?

1102
00:56:26.159 --> 00:56:28.199
Matthew McConaughey one? Is that U five four to one?

1103
00:56:28.960 --> 00:56:29.400
Thing like that?

1104
00:56:29.440 --> 00:56:29.559
Well?

1105
00:56:29.559 --> 00:56:31.400
I saw it in the theater and the sound and

1106
00:56:31.480 --> 00:56:34.280
that was awesome. There you go, I'm getting the number wrong.

1107
00:56:34.320 --> 00:56:37.119
I think I apologize. What was the Then there's the

1108
00:56:37.199 --> 00:56:40.960
Harrison Ford one? What was the k The Widow Maker? Yes?

1109
00:56:41.000 --> 00:56:43.679
Thank you? Yeah, one of my favorites. It's an old one.

1110
00:56:43.719 --> 00:56:48.400
It's Kerry Grant and Tony Curtis, Operation Petticoat and it's

1111
00:56:48.440 --> 00:56:51.000
it's more of a comedy, sure, but that one. My

1112
00:56:51.119 --> 00:56:52.519
dad used to watch that one all the time and

1113
00:56:52.519 --> 00:56:55.000
I would watch that with him, and anytime it's on

1114
00:56:55.840 --> 00:56:59.079
Turner Classic, it's a must watch, all right, it's I

1115
00:56:59.119 --> 00:57:00.920
stop what I'm doing, lots the rest of it. So

1116
00:57:00.920 --> 00:57:02.760
that's definitely one of my favorites. Of course, the Hunt

1117
00:57:02.760 --> 00:57:06.239
for October Doss Boot is really good. I really can't

1118
00:57:06.239 --> 00:57:08.719
think of anyone that I didn't like. I mean, there's

1119
00:57:08.760 --> 00:57:11.679
always that scene in every submarine movie where they're especially

1120
00:57:11.960 --> 00:57:14.320
if you watch the World War two ones where they're

1121
00:57:14.320 --> 00:57:16.880
going through the ocean and the destroyers who jumping the

1122
00:57:16.920 --> 00:57:22.079
bombs and they're just the sonar and then just shakes

1123
00:57:22.119 --> 00:57:24.239
a little bit and springs the leak here there and

1124
00:57:24.320 --> 00:57:26.599
everybody's got to run and fix things. It gets me

1125
00:57:26.639 --> 00:57:27.639
every time, oh.

1126
00:57:27.559 --> 00:57:31.079
One thousand percent. And it's the ping is always it

1127
00:57:31.119 --> 00:57:31.360
for me.

1128
00:57:31.679 --> 00:57:36.159
Yes, the bing and also of course that's one of

1129
00:57:36.239 --> 00:57:39.320
my favorite parts of the Hunt for October, which with

1130
00:57:39.440 --> 00:57:43.119
Connor eg Yes, one ping, one ping only.

1131
00:57:43.519 --> 00:57:47.280
It's great stuff. By the way, corrections and reattractions, but

1132
00:57:47.440 --> 00:57:50.360
Mark just corrections. It is U five seven to one

1133
00:57:50.920 --> 00:57:54.679
was the mcconnie film, and it's K nineteen not K nineteen.

1134
00:57:54.760 --> 00:57:57.880
The Widow Maker was the gotta Harrison Ford doing a

1135
00:57:58.519 --> 00:58:00.199
brilliant accent in that one.

1136
00:58:00.199 --> 00:58:03.000
Right, Yeah, yeah, I still like it though.

1137
00:58:02.960 --> 00:58:05.159
Hey, it's Sarason Ford, he does no wrong in my book.

1138
00:58:05.320 --> 00:58:07.440
Oh, I had this thought watching the movie. So we

1139
00:58:07.519 --> 00:58:10.719
have that scene when they demonstrate the floor of carbon

1140
00:58:10.880 --> 00:58:15.000
whatever it's called. I apologize and they're using the rat. Yes,

1141
00:58:15.039 --> 00:58:17.280
And then I thought to myself, was that the same

1142
00:58:17.320 --> 00:58:20.519
stuff that but ended up slurping in later on? I mean,

1143
00:58:20.519 --> 00:58:22.480
how much of that stuff did they have? How gross

1144
00:58:22.559 --> 00:58:24.679
is that? Because you know, the rat's shitting there like

1145
00:58:24.719 --> 00:58:30.599
twelve times while I was under Absolutely, let's started grossing

1146
00:58:30.599 --> 00:58:30.920
me out.

1147
00:58:31.119 --> 00:58:34.039
These are the things we think about, and you would

1148
00:58:34.079 --> 00:58:37.400
be correct. Yes, yeah, I didn't realize that. You said

1149
00:58:37.440 --> 00:58:39.880
you'd like K nineteen Widow Maker that was directed by

1150
00:58:39.960 --> 00:58:40.840
Catherine Bigelow.

1151
00:58:41.039 --> 00:58:44.400
Yes, you know, but it got hammered. That movie that

1152
00:58:44.639 --> 00:58:48.199
did not do well with critics or box office wise.

1153
00:58:48.519 --> 00:58:50.280
But I went I saw it in the theater. I

1154
00:58:50.280 --> 00:58:50.719
didn't care.

1155
00:58:51.079 --> 00:58:54.599
Yeah, I mean yeah, because there's it's still your fun, right.

1156
00:58:55.039 --> 00:58:58.639
The whole thing is that so it's a nuclear sub

1157
00:58:58.960 --> 00:59:01.920
and there's a leak and they have to send people

1158
00:59:01.920 --> 00:59:04.280
in there to fix it, and basically if you go

1159
00:59:04.320 --> 00:59:06.400
in there, you're going to die because you got exposed.

1160
00:59:06.960 --> 00:59:09.639
And these poor kids are like eighteen nineteen years old,

1161
00:59:10.000 --> 00:59:12.679
who's their first time out in sea and he's got

1162
00:59:12.679 --> 00:59:14.719
to send to their death and it's brutal.

1163
00:59:15.039 --> 00:59:18.039
Yeah, but yes, I was mentioning Catherine Bigelow because she

1164
00:59:18.119 --> 00:59:22.840
was married to Cameron. That's true, A brief, brief time there. Anyway,

1165
00:59:23.280 --> 00:59:26.760
Did you have any thoughts, deep questions special Edition?

1166
00:59:27.079 --> 00:59:28.840
Did you ever see it? What did you think?

1167
00:59:29.000 --> 00:59:33.159
I have it's been some time. I actually have a

1168
00:59:33.199 --> 00:59:35.719
description of the special Edition right in front of me

1169
00:59:35.960 --> 00:59:39.519
at this moment, and after reading it once again, yes,

1170
00:59:39.679 --> 00:59:43.280
far as I recalled, it added a little bit for

1171
00:59:43.400 --> 00:59:47.599
me regarding the aliens being a little concerned about how

1172
00:59:47.760 --> 00:59:52.599
humans are treating the planet, treating one another, and you know,

1173
00:59:52.760 --> 00:59:56.719
using that kind of screen in their underwater city to

1174
00:59:56.920 --> 01:00:01.800
show Bud these images of war and aggression. And then

1175
01:00:01.840 --> 01:00:04.239
I guess it says here, Yeah, Bud asks the aliens

1176
01:00:04.239 --> 01:00:07.320
why they spared the humans, and they show Bud the

1177
01:00:07.360 --> 01:00:10.320
message that he sends to Lindsay that he types before,

1178
01:00:10.480 --> 01:00:13.159
which was I now even forget what the message is?

1179
01:00:13.280 --> 01:00:16.199
The one way ticket, the one yes, thank you. Yeah,

1180
01:00:16.239 --> 01:00:19.039
I knew this was a one way ticket. So they

1181
01:00:19.079 --> 01:00:22.920
see hope in Bud, and thus they decide to save

1182
01:00:23.000 --> 01:00:25.599
him and save the crew. So yeah, I just don't

1183
01:00:25.599 --> 01:00:27.880
have a strong feeling one way or another. The entire

1184
01:00:28.000 --> 01:00:31.280
ending is a little it's a little much, I think.

1185
01:00:31.559 --> 01:00:36.440
So there's such a science fiction aspect to this film yet,

1186
01:00:36.599 --> 01:00:39.519
and I understand that there are fantastical elements and obviously

1187
01:00:39.639 --> 01:00:42.960
underwater alien creatures, but there's something about them that feel

1188
01:00:43.400 --> 01:00:46.480
tangible and realistic in a science fiction kind of way.

1189
01:00:46.840 --> 01:00:48.920
So when it gets to the whole ending, the whole

1190
01:00:48.920 --> 01:00:53.280
thing just feels a little overwhelming because of there's a

1191
01:00:53.480 --> 01:00:55.800
slight hoking nature to it. Still, even I believe in

1192
01:00:55.800 --> 01:00:58.079
the special edition that's maybe not fair. I haven't seen

1193
01:00:58.119 --> 01:01:00.840
in a while. What are your feelings on theah It

1194
01:01:00.840 --> 01:01:03.760
definitely pushes the more of the Cold War.

1195
01:01:03.599 --> 01:01:05.679
Element at the time, because there's a lot of They

1196
01:01:05.719 --> 01:01:08.239
show a lot of like broadcast of what's going on

1197
01:01:08.760 --> 01:01:13.280
above water, and the Russians are accusing the US. US

1198
01:01:13.320 --> 01:01:15.599
is accusing Russians and feel like we're going to be

1199
01:01:15.639 --> 01:01:17.400
the brink of war. And then the aliens do the

1200
01:01:17.719 --> 01:01:21.360
tidal waves that are hanging over the coasts right, Yeah,

1201
01:01:21.400 --> 01:01:25.159
they're about to unleash mass destruction on Yeah, but there

1202
01:01:25.239 --> 01:01:27.840
is a lot of little things that happened throughout the

1203
01:01:27.880 --> 01:01:30.920
movie itself that people get a little more time to

1204
01:01:30.960 --> 01:01:34.840
shine throughout. Correct, it still doesn't save the ending, though, Yeah,

1205
01:01:35.000 --> 01:01:36.840
there's more of a message on it, like hey, let's

1206
01:01:36.920 --> 01:01:40.960
all get along as compared to the regular edition. I

1207
01:01:41.159 --> 01:01:43.159
like it, but I think is still the same. If

1208
01:01:43.159 --> 01:01:45.880
it changed the ending, maybe, but yeah, if I can

1209
01:01:45.880 --> 01:01:47.920
watch more of it, sure, why not, I'll do it.

1210
01:01:48.159 --> 01:01:51.360
Yeah, all in But yeah, you see those themes again,

1211
01:01:51.400 --> 01:01:54.320
like an Avatar and such that, the similar themes about

1212
01:01:54.360 --> 01:01:57.119
us destroying the planet and then the Aliens trying to

1213
01:01:57.400 --> 01:01:59.840
save it or send a message. I'm glad you brought

1214
01:01:59.880 --> 01:02:02.280
up the fact that we did not touch upon really

1215
01:02:02.320 --> 01:02:05.280
the political tensions that are happening, especially in the beginning

1216
01:02:05.280 --> 01:02:08.079
of this film, because once the USS Montana goes down

1217
01:02:08.119 --> 01:02:12.000
in the beginning, then you know, we the Americans are

1218
01:02:12.039 --> 01:02:15.840
assuming it was the Russians, and then the Russians show

1219
01:02:15.960 --> 01:02:18.960
up and there's these and I was going to ask you,

1220
01:02:19.000 --> 01:02:21.320
and I should have asked this in additional questions, was

1221
01:02:21.320 --> 01:02:24.719
that did you feel the movie lost any tension once

1222
01:02:24.880 --> 01:02:30.280
that subplot no pun intended, basically went away. We understand

1223
01:02:30.320 --> 01:02:34.079
that Lieutenant Coffee is nerve thinking that the Aliens somehow

1224
01:02:34.280 --> 01:02:37.599
are were maybe developed by the Russians or working in

1225
01:02:37.639 --> 01:02:40.719
tandem with the Russians. But it felt as though the

1226
01:02:40.760 --> 01:02:44.239
whole Russians versus the US and the political tent kind

1227
01:02:44.280 --> 01:02:47.119
of dissipated about a third to a halfway through the

1228
01:02:47.119 --> 01:02:49.719
movie and wasn't really addressed after a while.

1229
01:02:50.079 --> 01:02:52.280
Part of me is glad that it's sound in there

1230
01:02:52.280 --> 01:02:55.079
because of that. It really makes the movie feel data

1231
01:02:55.280 --> 01:02:58.599
not like we have pre sure relations with Russia right now,

1232
01:02:58.800 --> 01:03:01.440
But I mean back then, man, it was we used

1233
01:03:01.440 --> 01:03:04.079
to talk about nuclear war all the time, and I

1234
01:03:04.159 --> 01:03:07.000
thought that was going to happen. Y, No, it didn't.

1235
01:03:07.039 --> 01:03:10.440
It didn't bother me that much. I mean, okay, Russians

1236
01:03:10.440 --> 01:03:12.239
were always the bad guys in the eighties, so it

1237
01:03:12.320 --> 01:03:14.679
was good that they just kind of swept that under

1238
01:03:14.679 --> 01:03:15.719
the rud quickly.

1239
01:03:15.960 --> 01:03:18.280
Yeah, I mostly agree. I didn't think it was even

1240
01:03:18.320 --> 01:03:21.360
really that necessary. I mean, obviously it adds tension to

1241
01:03:21.400 --> 01:03:23.119
the beginning of the film, but they probably could have

1242
01:03:23.679 --> 01:03:26.760
just not addressed it at all after the opening sequence,

1243
01:03:26.760 --> 01:03:29.519
and I would have been fine, Right, I'm more involved

1244
01:03:29.559 --> 01:03:32.440
with these crew members just trying to survive underwater with

1245
01:03:32.519 --> 01:03:36.159
this Navy Seal team and their different agendas, and then

1246
01:03:36.239 --> 01:03:39.440
also obviously the alien element, which is really cool, so.

1247
01:03:39.880 --> 01:03:43.960
Yeah, I agree with that. And then lastly, I read this.

1248
01:03:44.079 --> 01:03:45.440
I don't know if this is true or not, but

1249
01:03:45.480 --> 01:03:50.840
according to the novelization, it's the aliens that actually bring

1250
01:03:50.880 --> 01:03:53.800
Lindsay back to life, and they're the ones that kind

1251
01:03:53.840 --> 01:03:57.480
of give Cap the motivation to keep going. Got it.

1252
01:03:58.119 --> 01:03:58.719
I like that.

1253
01:03:58.880 --> 01:04:01.719
I'd like that a lot actually, like they're just giving

1254
01:04:01.760 --> 01:04:04.719
him a little helpful nudge here and there. Yeah, a

1255
01:04:04.760 --> 01:04:07.400
little subtle support. Hmm. That's cool.

1256
01:04:07.679 --> 01:04:10.800
But I can't remember who wrote the novelization. I apologize.

1257
01:04:10.920 --> 01:04:14.880
I'm sure it was Dean Foster. Thank you, Alan, Dean Foster,

1258
01:04:15.480 --> 01:04:17.599
that's who wrote it. I'm sure, yes, all right. So

1259
01:04:17.639 --> 01:04:20.800
whoever was screaming at the radio right now, like Alan D. Foster,

1260
01:04:20.960 --> 01:04:23.360
come on, say it, we did it. We got there

1261
01:04:23.400 --> 01:04:23.639
for you.

1262
01:04:24.079 --> 01:04:26.440
They probably think we were gonna go like highbrow and

1263
01:04:26.480 --> 01:04:30.159
go like yeah, like Arthur C. Clark you know, yeah, no, no,

1264
01:04:30.239 --> 01:04:31.079
Valentine Foster.

1265
01:04:31.280 --> 01:04:33.760
No, we were thinking, okay, time to move on to

1266
01:04:33.840 --> 01:04:36.920
our rating. So Jason, on a scale of one to five,

1267
01:04:37.599 --> 01:04:40.320
NTI's which you give the abyss?

1268
01:04:40.760 --> 01:04:46.199
Yes, four NTI's is what I'm giving it solid four nts.

1269
01:04:46.400 --> 01:04:49.920
What is non terrestrial intelligence? That is the acronym. Correct,

1270
01:04:50.079 --> 01:04:52.000
we didn't atually don't think we actually said that earlier. No,

1271
01:04:52.039 --> 01:04:57.679
we did not, So yes, four non Terrestrial Intelligentsia is. Yeah,

1272
01:04:58.000 --> 01:05:04.280
this is a groundbreaking film. It's another entertaining roller coaster

1273
01:05:04.360 --> 01:05:09.320
of a ride. The concept is sound and solid and

1274
01:05:09.960 --> 01:05:14.639
just provides so much tension and anxiety and the movie

1275
01:05:14.960 --> 01:05:17.519
moves a quick clip. I'm just going to reiterate what

1276
01:05:17.559 --> 01:05:20.239
you said earlier, Bill, is that you see again the

1277
01:05:20.280 --> 01:05:24.360
blueprint for what is to come from Cameron here, especially

1278
01:05:24.400 --> 01:05:27.239
with the T one thousand and T two and that

1279
01:05:27.280 --> 01:05:29.920
water tentacle sequence again is one of the most talked

1280
01:05:29.960 --> 01:05:33.519
about sequences in nineteen eighty nine from Cinema can't get

1281
01:05:33.639 --> 01:05:37.760
enough of Ed Harris. I thought his chemistry with Macentonia

1282
01:05:37.880 --> 01:05:40.639
was great. I thought they were great together. They really

1283
01:05:40.679 --> 01:05:44.159
are at each other's throats and you're like, wow, these two.

1284
01:05:44.360 --> 01:05:46.039
I can see why they separated, and then you can

1285
01:05:46.039 --> 01:05:48.039
see why they love each other as well, and they

1286
01:05:48.239 --> 01:05:51.360
sell their relationship very well. I bought into it. So

1287
01:05:52.119 --> 01:05:57.039
the ensemble cast, the action, set pieces, the sets, it's

1288
01:05:57.079 --> 01:06:01.280
such an immense production, even if you don't care for

1289
01:06:01.840 --> 01:06:05.199
elements of the story or even from my perspective, some

1290
01:06:05.239 --> 01:06:08.920
aspects of the dialogue. And of course we talked about

1291
01:06:09.519 --> 01:06:13.760
the ending being a little bit weak. It's such a

1292
01:06:13.840 --> 01:06:18.880
huge accomplishment that you are in awe the scope of

1293
01:06:18.960 --> 01:06:21.599
you just want to watch it and look at it

1294
01:06:21.679 --> 01:06:25.440
because it's so cool and it makes it made me

1295
01:06:25.440 --> 01:06:27.840
feel something on this rewatch, which I was surprised by

1296
01:06:28.280 --> 01:06:31.840
the ending I got. I did get emotional when they

1297
01:06:31.840 --> 01:06:35.960
were trying to revive Lindsey, so I was moved. I

1298
01:06:36.079 --> 01:06:37.280
enjoyed it. I enjoyed the rewatch.

1299
01:06:37.400 --> 01:06:40.039
It's a yeah, it's an important film for a few

1300
01:06:40.039 --> 01:06:42.760
different reasons. So for ntis for me. Yeah, for me,

1301
01:06:42.840 --> 01:06:45.599
it's four and a half nice. I like the cast

1302
01:06:45.679 --> 01:06:48.280
in this, I like the music in this. I like

1303
01:06:48.360 --> 01:06:51.159
the setup in this. I like the setting and this

1304
01:06:52.159 --> 01:06:56.559
it's the ending. That's that's it. But I enjoy it

1305
01:06:56.639 --> 01:07:00.079
so much up to that point that it doesn't bother me.

1306
01:07:00.440 --> 01:07:03.840
I'm a little letdown, but not letdown enough, and so

1307
01:07:03.920 --> 01:07:07.199
that only not off a half for me. Every time

1308
01:07:07.239 --> 01:07:09.719
I watch it, I'm still like, how do they do this?

1309
01:07:09.920 --> 01:07:11.960
How do they do that it does it for me.

1310
01:07:12.360 --> 01:07:15.239
This movie's just in my wheelhouse. It's just an underwater

1311
01:07:15.400 --> 01:07:16.719
culture that just really work.

1312
01:07:17.079 --> 01:07:20.079
Yeah again, I just think you know again, I'm a

1313
01:07:20.159 --> 01:07:23.760
terminator aliens and true lies guy. Maybe it's a that's

1314
01:07:23.880 --> 01:07:26.760
just a taste thing, but can't deny that it's a

1315
01:07:26.880 --> 01:07:30.360
smartly crafted film. James Cameron's a brilliant filmmaker.

1316
01:07:30.639 --> 01:07:33.039
Oh yeah, Like I said, it's it's not his best movie.

1317
01:07:33.079 --> 01:07:34.800
It just I don't know, it just appeals to me

1318
01:07:34.840 --> 01:07:35.199
the most.

1319
01:07:35.480 --> 01:07:36.039
That's cool.

1320
01:07:36.320 --> 01:07:37.000
I respect that.

1321
01:07:37.679 --> 01:07:38.119
All right.

1322
01:07:38.159 --> 01:07:40.679
So that just about wraps it up for this week's episode.

1323
01:07:40.960 --> 01:07:44.199
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1329
01:07:59.599 --> 01:08:03.280
into another classic from the greatest movie decade ever in

1330
01:08:03.360 --> 01:08:06.800
nineteen eighties. Till then, stay cool and have an excellent

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01:08:06.840 --> 01:08:07.280
to everyone.

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